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I agree "GET A REAL DOG" on most of your last post but just wanted to clarify for those who may have been to other forums and told to "SHUT UP" or "DON'T MENTION THIS TYPE OF TRAINING EVER AGAIN ON MY BOARD" that one must see the training mentioned above from Mike Diehl's website to know it is by far one of the better tools out there for training. I'm just not saying 2nd hand but after seeing several dogs on the platform, it is by no means to be insinuated as barbaric training. But back to your statements, yes dogs should be able to handle some stress and if done correctly there are many tools out there that people need to see first instead of making quick judgment based on what has been received and perceived from others. Good to see people on this post have a full brain unlike some other posts that have been on here. LOL

GetARealDog, I agree with you. Mike and I have been able to use the table with tremendous success. When done right, by competent trainers who can read the dog properly, it's awesome to watch a dog cycle through it and see how happy and confident and forward they are. If you watch the video, note that when I take the dog down off the table, what's he do? He doesn't say "I'm free" and try to run away. He jumps down and tries to pull me to where he saw the man go, because he wanted more.

Table/deck training has been around for at least 25 years that I know of. I first saw it at a club in Alabama about 20 years ago. It can be quite intense and unnerving when you first see it, but the principles are sound and it can be very effective when done right. I know Biehler and others were using it in Germany; to what extent I don't know. The first person I heard of using it hear was Gene England. The reason, I believe, people keep it in the closet, is because of its intensity.

Grimm, AWWWWWW, now, this ignorant girl knows about the table. I have used the table on a couple of my dogs and have seen Dean Calderon use it on many! Good video! Vickie

IMO and from my experience w/ my own dog and watching others the table is no different than the e-collar, force track, or forced dumbell. for those that are very experience, know what they are looking for, and can see a problme occuring abd fix it, these techiuqes are great. but for those that merely read an article or watch a video, there are lot more things that can go wrong than go right. it is fairly easy to define the purpose of the table and thoery behind it, but would take years for someone to know how to apply it start to finish. anytime you use the table, force track or forced retrieve there is a lot of stress involved so the handler and helper must be oin the same page and make it crystal clear what the dog must do. if not you will present an unclear picture to the dog and lead to confusion and more stress. just my 2 cents

I just wish that those who do not know first hand about various training devices would first ask about them rather than condemn them as cruel just because they heard someone else say it, or because they don't understand what they see on a video.

Correct wscott, I grasp and have seen the table work, but I would not try it myself. That is what trainers are for. Despite what some others feel. I am quite glad this video was posted and can be explained. PETA or other forms of nut jobs, would eventually stumble upon something like this and not understand and have a field day with it. The more people who experience and understand, I feel the better. Lets just not all qualify ourselves to run out and do it with our own dogs. Next time you hear someone bad mouth table work, maybe you can fill them in... =) Lets not hide it in the closet like it is some bad juju.

"Lets just not all qualify ourselves to run out and do it with our own dogs." I hear that one. Anyone got anymore videos we can discuss? This forums is actually becoming educational now!!! :-b

So sayeth the ed D'mann

meanderer990, Wow....You mean to tell me we can show videos and stuff and exchange dog knowledge, politely, as adults, and have adult discussions on what is occuring and learn from each other's experience? And not turn it into a bash session? Wouldn't that be nice if we could do that all the time on here? :) Here's another video we did on something Mike and I have used. It's a Bite Box. This is a concept that we got from Josef Mravik of Eurosport K9. We apply it a little differently but have had success with it as a training tool also. The video is on my training page, click on where it says "Bite Box." http://www.sportwaffenk9.com/training.shtml