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by Hired Dog on 06 December 2013 - 13:12
Zdog, the point you miss in that long diatribe, and the point of this thread, is that IPO as well as other "sports" that include bite work will end in the next 20 years at the very most because society will want them to. There are A LOT more of them then there are of us who like biting dogs and they will win in the end.
So far as your references to Ring Sports, I assure you that NVBK is much more difficult and demanding then IPO will ever be, but, I also dont see it lasting either. Like I said in an earlier thread, I hope I am not around when that day comes that society will dictate to us how to train and test our dogs, but, its coming.
So far as your references to Ring Sports, I assure you that NVBK is much more difficult and demanding then IPO will ever be, but, I also dont see it lasting either. Like I said in an earlier thread, I hope I am not around when that day comes that society will dictate to us how to train and test our dogs, but, its coming.
by susie on 06 December 2013 - 13:12
Hired Dog:
" Like I said in an earlier thread, I hope I am not around when that day comes that society will dictate to us how to train and test our dogs, but, its coming. "
I hope so, too!
" Like I said in an earlier thread, I hope I am not around when that day comes that society will dictate to us how to train and test our dogs, but, its coming. "
I hope so, too!
by zdog on 06 December 2013 - 13:12
yeah, NVBK is huge around here, so is KNPV.
anyway, bite sports aren't viewed that unfavorably around here. But I live in the midwest. Most people think it's cool and love to stop and watch and ask questions. I've given more than a few presentations to civic groups from Elk's clubs to rotary and kiwanis, young and old, men and women. I can't say I have ever been met with anything but interest and acceptance. When they ask how biting can relate to being a service dog, I can explain how pressure mentally and physically can test and give you the dogs with all the best stuff. When they have all the best stuff inside them, there is nothing they can't do. Because they're tested by biting, doesn't mean they have to bite to be happy. People do get that. Even people that have never pet a dog in their life can understand it. At least most can. They see videos, and they see my dogs. I'm going to hold off on the dire predictions for a while. I think the greatest threat is the lack of participation and exposure.
anyway, bite sports aren't viewed that unfavorably around here. But I live in the midwest. Most people think it's cool and love to stop and watch and ask questions. I've given more than a few presentations to civic groups from Elk's clubs to rotary and kiwanis, young and old, men and women. I can't say I have ever been met with anything but interest and acceptance. When they ask how biting can relate to being a service dog, I can explain how pressure mentally and physically can test and give you the dogs with all the best stuff. When they have all the best stuff inside them, there is nothing they can't do. Because they're tested by biting, doesn't mean they have to bite to be happy. People do get that. Even people that have never pet a dog in their life can understand it. At least most can. They see videos, and they see my dogs. I'm going to hold off on the dire predictions for a while. I think the greatest threat is the lack of participation and exposure.
by Chaz Reinhold on 06 December 2013 - 22:12
MMA is growing and dog sports are dying. People pay $50+ on pay per view to watch an hour of guys and girls beating the shit out of each other. The NFL is a multi billion dollar industry that thrives on violence and grace through athleticism. The Kentucky Derby has more stick hits than all trials worldwide per year.
by gsdstudent on 07 December 2013 - 10:12
interest in boxing is waning towards MMA. Horse racing is under rising pressure from the AR. The NFL is under pressure from their work force, especially the retired players. Which are the best comparisions to dog sport? If boxing is ''not real enough'' is it like Schutzhund/IPO? Is MMA like Knpv? Horse racing is not the only thing horse do, some actually work just like our GSD population. The NFL will need to change and the sport might be very different in 30 years. I am a little involved with LE k9 and most I see have come from a sport back ground with parents having sport titles. How do we connect the importance of quaility LE K9 to the sport training?
by Gustav on 07 December 2013 - 13:12
Where are these LE dogs coming from specifically?
by gsdstudent on 07 December 2013 - 20:12
The training/trialing of KNPV dogs is intense but KNPV dogs are not for sale. I do not see PSA titled dogs for sale often, I think by diffinition they are personal owned dogs.That leave the sports of the ''ring'' and IPO in Europe. American born adult GSDs rarely are for sale., They do not make it as often, to the LE arena, as the imported dogs are made available to LE. So back to the title, we should rally together to keep proper stick hits in our trials and breed surveys. The MMA analogy is quite good. The sport is a real spectator pleaser and growing. Listen to the commentators speak about the different guys backgrounds. How many were wrestlers? You need to do more than just type of martial art and they guys often speak about how a guy is studying under a special trainer for ''dirty'' boxings skills to raise stand up fighting techniques. So where do the LE go for dogs?
by vk4gsd on 07 December 2013 - 20:12
the problem of the disappearing IPO membership has nothing to do with stick hits or brutal use of corrections by brutal idiots or not real enough, left wing governments, communism, fascism, PETA or....
the problem is that the IPO members themselves are evidentially incapable of seeing what the problem actually is.
step 1. would require you to stop looking at the interior of your own anus's first and stop listening to your own voices....which i doubt will ever happen.
get a clue from lance collins when he states that (paraphrasing) the primary goal of an IPO/Schuts club is to be a role model of citizenship for every person that owns or handles a dog in any capacity from house pet to SWAT dog. he extends that even further into role models of any type of club that has nothing to do with dogs at all.
he said it much better and i apologize if i messed up his words but the general gist is there - it is not a direct quote.
so keep blaming whatever you need to in order to take the focus off the ACTUAL problem which by definition you are neither qualified to identify or fix, at least all the conspiracy theories and finger pointing makes entertaining reading and confirms what most from the outside looking in already know of you.
the problem is that the IPO members themselves are evidentially incapable of seeing what the problem actually is.
step 1. would require you to stop looking at the interior of your own anus's first and stop listening to your own voices....which i doubt will ever happen.
get a clue from lance collins when he states that (paraphrasing) the primary goal of an IPO/Schuts club is to be a role model of citizenship for every person that owns or handles a dog in any capacity from house pet to SWAT dog. he extends that even further into role models of any type of club that has nothing to do with dogs at all.
he said it much better and i apologize if i messed up his words but the general gist is there - it is not a direct quote.
so keep blaming whatever you need to in order to take the focus off the ACTUAL problem which by definition you are neither qualified to identify or fix, at least all the conspiracy theories and finger pointing makes entertaining reading and confirms what most from the outside looking in already know of you.
by vk4gsd on 07 December 2013 - 21:12
BTW an average nobody boxer makes more money than the top MMA fighter and more guys make a full time living from boxing than MMA fighters do, MMA has attracted a lot of young uneducated and not very loyal short term fans, boxing has maintained it's following and still attracts the biggest money no argument - something about two guys rolling around on the ground with each other indefinitely just does not do it for a lot of fight fans and never will, thats why MMA refs are standing them up quicker and why boxing banned it a millennia ago.
by Chaz Reinhold on 08 December 2013 - 00:12
Obviously, the mma reference went over some heads.
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