FCI standard vs the AKC standard - Page 12

Obviously you have never been to an AKC UD trial. The video you labeled as AKC style is acutally from Crufts and under UKC rules. It is nothing like AKC CD, CDX or UD exercise, it's more like a rally novice title.

The big difference I see between the IPO  and  AKC advanced OB is that there is a lot more heeling in the IPO and the retrieve over the A frame is not done in AKC. Also the Sch dumbell is much heavier and I believe the hurdle is higher. I really like the larger rings I've seen at IPO trials. Most AKC rings are too small.

In AKC the UD exercises are different. In addition to heeling, that is similar to the IPO routines, but of a shorter duration - stand stay, platz, sitz,  etc they also require a stand for exam where the dog is commanded to stand stay  while heeling,  the handler walks to the other side of the ring and the dog must remain standing and not move while the judge exams it. Then comes scent discrimination where the dog has to indicate and retrieve a dumbell the owner has impregnated with his/her scent and then a leather glove with the owner's scent. Both the dumbell and the glove are dropped by the steward from a small pallett into a pile of like items that have not been scented by the handler.  Failure to pick the right item the first time is a DQ. Then a send out and a retrieve of the glove the handler points to. 3 gloves are uses. dog must take the right one. Then another send out, a sit and a directed jump over a hurdle the height based on the dog's height. That is repeated and the exercises are complete. 200 points is a perfect score, points are deducted for specific deviations, dog must pass all exercises and must score at least 170 to get a leg. I doubt anyone is interested but there are some nice youtubes on the net showing GSD earning a UD leg.

Only someone who has never done IPO obedience would say that it doesn't look hard.  Only way to know is to do it.  Then you'll know.

Blitzen, You're still missing the point.  It doesn't matter how advanced the OB is, it can't replace the protection test.  Each phase test a different and necessary facet of the required temperment of the FCI breed standard of the GSD.

Easy example.  How many UDX dogs do you know can stand to have someone running at them, yelling, and they have to go through that stress and engage.  Then when they are on the have to take the pressure of being pushed around and even thumped with a padded stick.  You'll never know because they don't test for that in UDX.  You have to do all of it, you can't skip phases.  If you do, then the dog isn't breed worthy.  It's just that straight forward.

I'm not missing the point and I never suggested that a UD or a UDX dog would automatically bite. I don' think that many German dogs would automatically bite a sleeve either  unless trained to do so. I said that a UD/UDX dog could do the IPO OB and tracking phase, the protection work would be the challenge. My exact words I think.

And only someone who has never done AKC advanced OB or ever watched a trial would say that's easy. Why don't YOU try it and then you'll know too.

HD, I googled that site but I can't find that video.Can you help me?

I"ve trained AKC obedience for years.  I was County 4h leader for years.   I trained kids who trained their dogs to UDX and won at the state level.  My son and daughter have also both won state in several classes with their IPO dogs training for AKC style obedience up through UD.

We've won state in pre-novice and novice with dogs straight out of the humane society.

I know how hard it is to train for AKC obedience.

My apologies Blitzen, I saw it on Youtube, if I knew how to paste in here, I would do it, but, if you search her name on Youtube, its there. What is more amazing when you see her performance is her age and how long she has been doing this.

@Blitzen ...about bzcz,

Wow!  I think he sure does walk the walk! Like you do, too. 

@bzcz,

How nice you passed on your skills and love of dogs down to the kids!

@HD

Paste the link to whatever video is wanted here, and I will embed it for you.

BTW,  The gloves are not scent discrimination retrieves.  The dumbbells (metal and wood) are scent descrimination.

The gloves are directed retrieves.  All three laid out in a line towards the end of the ring and the judge tells the handler which glove to retrieve who then sends their dog.

UDX uses hand signals.   No voice commands and you get one chance with the hand signal or its a double command and kills you point wise.  Fun to do but still not a breed test.

Actually gloves can be used as the leather items for scent discremination too at the discrestion of the handler. Item 1 must be made of metal, 2 of leather.