FCI standard vs the AKC standard - Page 9

Blitzen,

GSD Lineage wrote, "I've taken adult dogs with no bite training to be tested. They have always bitten."

so to answer your question, Yes I do expect there to be video of this. 

There are thousands of hours of club video of dogs sitting around and not engaging in the protection work.  There is hundreds of hours of dogs being tried out as pp dogs that won't engage a threat. 

It's truly sickening to hear this fable repeated over and over and then seeing the dogs paying for it.  The things that people will do to dogs to get them to bite is at times appalling.  But "all dogs will bite.  All dogs will protect."  Is BS.  The dog is clearly telling you he wants nothing to do with engaging anybody over anything.  But some idiot will continue to threaten and eventually he will hurt the dog in order to cause a defensive bite response.  "see?  There he bit!"  Its all a crock. 

My daughter read this thread and made a great comment.  Those that don't train and compete think this is all easy stuff.  All Dogs bite, All Dogs can run over the A frame.  It's easy because you haven't spent the hundreds of hours training it to know how hard it really is.

Out of the mouths of babes comes the truth. 

The conformation isn´t the real problem, it always was and always will be the working ability of our dogs. Form follows function...
It´s about nature and nurture, the chance to get puppies able to work out of a long line of ancestors able and willing to work simply is much higher than out of ancestors who didn´t have to proof anything for generations. Genetics are genetics.
In my opinion a German Shepherd must have a special temperament, the old fashioned " hardness, courage, fighting drive".
The trials and titles AKC offers are no proof for these attributes, every breed is able to track, every breed is able to be obedient, but almost only the working breeds are able to go through a IPO or KNPV routine. That said the AKC dogs were not proofed for generations in these venues.

I for myself don´t even believe in great stories about dams/sires out of working lines, I want to see them work by myself, and I know that even in the best litter out of working lines there are puppies of pet quality "only", so what about litters whose ancestors didn´t have to proof anything?

Blitzen, the Germans aren´t really interested in German Shepherds without pedigrees, they are worthless, the breeders have to follow the SV routine, so there aren´t bred that many dogs ( although still too much for me, but we are good in international marketing  ).

Just read BZCZs last post - he is spot on.

The AKC does like money. The parent clubs would have to name the health checks for each breed, AKC would need to get a new look on life and refuse to register a dog from a sire or dam that didn't have all the tests or had them and didn't pass them all. Then there's the issue of ascertaining that there was no cheating going on with the tests. DNA would probably take care of that concern. It would take a while to get it all set up, but it could work. Some breeders would not use AKC, would go with one of the splinter registeries as have most of the current puppy mills. So long.

It would eventually make AKC registered mean a little more than it does now. Dream on......

So there are no rescues needed in Germany then or are those dogs all purebred?

Sure there are rescues needed, sure there are puppy mills, not all of the dogs are purebred, we are humans, too, but there don´t seem to be that much like in other countries - no figures, so no proof, but it´s "trendy" to rescue dogs from Spain, Hungary, Rumania, over here. People need to feel good.

It's all about money once again.

Training, titling, breeding working dogs in itself is not about money, for the vast majority of people training in the clubs over here it´s just fun. We train, we meet, we talk, we title our dogs, sometimes we breed.
Internationally you only hear about the "big players", these are the ones making money, but compared to the amount of people training in the clubs, they are few and far between. The "normal" handler/owner/breeder owns 1-3 dogs ( most of us only one ), and is not interested in selling, but training.

It's not about the money.  It's about staying as true as we can to the GSD's roots.  It's about protecting their abilities so that the next generation can do what we need them to do.    I have lost/ spent more money than I could even begin to count over my dogs and I'd do it again in a heartbeat. 

Chill out......when I said it's all about money I was talking about the AKC and adopting dogs from out of the country in response to Susie's post.  Geez.....I'll bet  you won't dislike this post, will you?