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 I started it??!!

My response is that they are not my videos. They are videos of this trainer Mega who came here to test some dogs as a demo  I supposed to just hold the dogs so I have.  And it is not training but it is a  test of dogs to withstand a pressure. That is all. I have spend some time to explain it elsewhere on my forum.  I am not going to waste my  time to humor adverse crowd. If someone is interested  for me to explain this then I will . Give me call. This has been beat to the death elsewhere and some like it and some do not. Kim always pulls this one out when he losses regular  discussion. If you are interested I can show you the final results . I still have one of these dogs here. They were dogs which I obtained from Joanro and most of them  work now  as Law enforcement dogs and with private security and some are in private homes. 

 You can say what ever you want but proof is in the pudding.  Here is time sequence speed 5  pic per second:

 This is Scare face  during photo session. I was trying to  perk him up for a picture and gave him alert to attack command  this was his reaction on a  my friend who was also trying to alert him for a picture .  That should explain the choker and flip flops of the handler. But if Debbie would not hod him as wall as she did my friend would be bloody mess. Scare face is a normally very sociable dog.  has at least one live bite/apprehension in line of duty as a security dog. 

As  I said proof is in the pudding . I still have one dog from this litter here for people like Kim to come here and test him preferably with no equipment. LOL 

 Hans

LOL Kim=

 You and your videos.    Get a life.  I have better than that. Come here and  I have one of these dogs still here and send him at you.  What do "ya" say?   But he is a civil dog  thus  no equipment please.  I'll have an ambulance standing by. Will you then go away or do I still have to throw you a stick.  

The puppies were eleven weeks old when alpine was able to accept them, as the owner was out of country. They were raised at alpinek9 from  eleven weeks onward, first three weeks at the kennel in the care of the proprietor's appointed caregiver. 

Kim I do not do videos because I do not have to prove anything to anybody . Especially to you. I am secure in my own skin and I do not have to proof anything  around like you do with videos. "Look look this IS  me and i am wonderful. I MAKE VIDEOS.!!!!." 

 I on the other hand  train and import and sell dogs for LE and S&R In 1980 thies  I have started first S&r  nonprofit in state of Wyoming  and trained tens of S&R dogs.  I still sell dogs to S&R here is one from Snow Bird UT I have dogs with LE all over the world. For example  I have over 100 (!!!) dogs with AZDOC.Go check. They are getting dogs from me  for years.  They just ordered 6 more. You know what they specified? "We need really super  tough dogs to high security prison." And it goes without saying that they do not give  flying crap about sport titles for their working K9s

I have dogs with NYPD and in Georgia and Israel force and on and on  You and you videos. Real man do not need to prove anything to anybody by videos. Anybody can come here with their dog or see my dogs.  And well work them. I invited even you before you turned your coat. 

Simba in Israel attacked an  machine gun nest of terrorists and bite and hold  one while the other were apprehended . At  aage of less then 2 years! Hailed as national hero on Israeli TV and press. 

My dog Johnny I helped to train him.  Has tens of  track/bite and hold apprehensions. Go check . 

 I also  teach seminars to LE. http://www.alpinek9.com/page04.html

 and sell to private citizens. I named this picture "I'll Kill for mama" 

  I have hundreds of pics more.  Give it a brake Kim.

Prager Hans

p.s. 

 OH to keep it on the topic NON OF THESE working DOGS mentioned in this post have or had SPORT TITLES. 

Hans- your 100% correct Big Fella, the proof is in the pudding and you are sure spreading a lot of it around.

Might be an idea to teach Debbie how to properly "Post" a dog on leash. By the way, are the Israeli Special Forces and French Police still buying your training CD (K9 Art of War).

You might want to purchase Dr. Phils CD's in which he talks about "Moral Compasses" and "Building your Self -Esteem".

Anyway, you stay safe out there Big Fella and let us know how one becomes a Grand Master Trainer like that guy wearing his ball cap sideways.

I got to get back to the kitchen Hans

Take care

Kim

bz- I had such high hopes for you

I think your cake is burning, Kim. Angel food again? I love Dr Phil, don't you?

Aaah  personal attacks. What else can we expect from you.  So, I am a "Big Fella" huh? ...Yeah I am fat .  So what?   Scared to say it? I am not. Yes I GOT1/3 of my left LUNG DESTROYED BY A BULLET SO yes ,...  exercise is not easy for me.  Moral compass? Really?  Jeez . Give me a physical brake. And leave Debbie out of it you schmuck or come here and  tell it to my  face.  

 lol  Reading your posts makes me realize  why some animals eat their own children.

The cook around here seems to be the one doing the most spreading.

I take the armchair quarterback comment back.

Its more computer desk quarterback.

Easy to criticize but harder to do, you def take the easy route.

Prager I've helped train several IPO dogs into police depts and I've also taken dogs out of the IPO training and sold them to PD's.

Sport doesn't stop them from doing PD work.  If they can, they can. If these dogs weren't in training for IPO I don't know that they would have made it to the PDs.

Slamming sport might be fun, but it's not very smart.  You and your program are the exception to the rule.  Exceptions don't change the rule.

No titling or Breed Surveying? You'd be trying to find working dogs out of dogs that looked like ASL's.  Good luck then.

bzcz  I am not against sport or even less against breed survey. I am a member of a club and have done  PSA for years and even 100% sponsored one trial.   But I think the problem with transferring dogs from sport to civil work  is that what the dog learns first , he will learn best and like most and will revert to when under high stress.   Thus if you train a dog in sport and longer you do it harder it is to transfer it to civil dog. Thus higher titled dogs are really stuck on sport  and will rewrt to equipment orientation when uder stress. 

 There is training which is lineal where you train sport an then transfer that training into civil training. That is a problematic system which usually backfires one way or another.  Then there is what I am calling and developing principles of parallel training. where yes you can train sport but in totally separate venue you train PP/ LE and there is no direct correlation between these two.

 Another issue I have with sport is that it  promotes what is inadequate for GSD to be as a work dog. IPO is the only game in town of any consequence thus that is damaging  by omission.   IPO is in position  to do so much more, but because  radical AR groups and PC crowd and for other reasons it is not doing it. Thus the dogs are getting genetically pussyfied, mainly prey driven, less alert, less naturally protective and thus generally limited in their working abilities . 

 That is my beef with sport. 

 Prager Hans

I agree with a lot of what you said.  I am actually in the process of looking for a young dog for sport and it's very hard to find one who isn't locked into prey.  They are out there though just not in high numbers.  The normal progression in bringing an IPO dog along, identifies the real dogs and some of those are then diverted to PDs. 

Two years ago, we had a really nice male come thru the club, he was imported for a PD back east and they wanted a title on him before they got him.  Dog was extreme in the real work, needed nothing to turn on and take you for real.  Did nice IPO work as well.  Was a fun dog to work as a helper. 

He would light you up in aggression.  Question for you, Many of the PP dogs I see and even some PD dogs are really utilizing their nerves and defense to work.  I realize some of that is necessary but I believe that I'm seeing the pendulum swing too far to the defensive edge in order to get civil.

Are you seeing that as well, or is just a local trend I'm seeing?