NASS Results??? - Page 11

With the exception of Mr Medlen, you guys are missing the point. The results have nothing to do with the fact that the helper may have been related to a board member and nothing to do with the judges. Most likely, Henkel's dogs were the best ones there. But that's only because Mittelwest, Haus Juris, Kirchenwald, Drachenberg, Wustenberger Land, My Bodyguard, Alta Tollhaus and a bunch of other top breeders weren't there. Can anyone believe that the results would not have been vastly different if everyone was there and allowed to show.

Even in their heyday, Hermann and Walter Martin never dominated a Sieger Show like Henkel did this one. No, the results were not crooked, the helper was not crooked, the fix was not in because the fix had already occured. Its clear for anyone with eyes to see that unless the personnel of the WDA board changes, they are on a one way toboggan ride to oblivion.

Ms. Besserwisser:

You are spot on. Some people can't see the forest for the trees.  It is quite likely that Henkel's dogs were the best. Most certainly the judges thought so.  As you point out, however, they may not have been the best if the other top kennels had attended.  They may not have done that well if the VA dogs from the two other Sieger Shows had chosen to show. Most certainly, Nino v. Tronje would have been the Sieger if he had been shown. As you pointed out the FIX that the WDA really needs to address post-haste is its leadership. That is the reason the show did so poorly. Quite simply, the other top breeders wanted nothing to do with the WDA's event.  The Fix has to go.  If that FIX isn't eliminated, the toboggan ride into oblivion is close to a certainty.  Unfortunately, I fear the FIX has been in too long and is too deeply seated to really be fixed. I would have to wonder if there is anyone left with guts enough to weather the storm and take away those flowing robes and golden, bejeweled crowns.

I don't know why I keep forgetting about RSV2000, Richard. Thanks!

It's not a FIX, it's a PROTEST!  The members left to protest the running of WDA or whatever ills they perceive as wrong with the org.

We won't know what those reasons are until former members who left start speaking up.  Otherwise it's all speculation and rampant conspiracy theories.

What we do know is that the members voted with their checkbooks and voted to not go to the NASS.  No idea if WDA member numbers are down or not. 

Again with the conspiracy stuff.  No conspiracy, members/former members are ticked at WDA for whatever reasons they choose.

Be nice if some of them would post what they are and stop some of the crazy talk.

RSV2000 doesn´t have enough dogs and members yet, and besides that Raiser isn´t interested in shows. The pedigrees of the fancy "longcoat" clubs are not worth the paper they are printed on.

Mklevin,

Many former WDA members who chose not to attend The NASS have indeed commented within this and many, many previous threads.  It is a well worn subject that most are now wary of engaging; but, the reasons for their (many big breeders and others) departures have been chronicled on these and previous threads ad nauseum.

I would suspect that were you to imagine what "perceived" (or perhaps real) reasons so many folks would leave a once thriving club to which they were highly loyal that you'd likely be very close to what has in fact occurred.

I'll help you get started;  leadership, integrity, and selfless service to the club were "perceived" (or indeed) were lacking causing a rift and eventual exodus; the specifics to which you inquire and/or wish to debate are too numerous to replay.  Merely peruse yourself these very pages over the last several years....

Best,

Kevin Nance

And, by the way, Randy (Dog1) was most often on the "other side" arguing for the continued viability of the WDA.  "Something" changed his mind as well.

Kevin

Sorry Kevin I way too lazy to go looking and I honestly don't care enough why.  Like I said earlier, the only reason I even posted is because I got sick of the judges and helpers are cheats theme.

Marco vom Mittelwest II
V12 USA
VA4 GSDCA

can you please explain how this doesn't wreak of corruption ?

Sitasmom:

In stead of the corruption scheme you are looking for, is it not possible that Marco had a bad day at the USCA Sieger Show. Or, otherwise, is it not possible that the judge at the USCA didn't like the dog. 

By the way Sitasmom, I asked on another thread but got no answer.  Did you have a dog entered in either of the 3 Sieger Shows? Alternately, did you attend either of the 3 Sieger Shows?