NASS Results??? - Page 9

Matt,

I see your point.

It does seem unfair. However, lots of things are unfair in the world of (subjective opinion based) competition. I don't know this young man and have never seen him work so I don't have an opinion on his level integrity and don't know enough about helper skills to comment on his. But, I also tend to trust in judges and helpers.......At least up until this past WUSV.....but that's a discussion for another thread.

All I'm saying is, it was perhaps and unwise decision to choose him for this particular event with all of the hoopla going on with this organization (at this time). 

 

Dog1:  You comment that the GSDCA-WDA is possibly content with the entry numbers that had for the NASS.  I certainly hope that is not the case because it was clearly the smallest of the three shows while only a few years ago it was by far the largest SV style conformation event in this country . In fact, the number of entries at this year's NASS was much less than entered the first NASS back in 1997. However, if anyone of the officers or members of the WDA  is content and their motive is to live in their own little world then I am reminded of an old addage;  "A small duck can look like a big duck if he stays on a small pond".

 

 

On this we can agree to disagree.

AKC guidelines for judges:

The key is to avoid all situations that are likely to give the impression of impropriety. You must do everything possible to keep your reputation above reproach.

The places are all over the place.

 

Nanuk von Vierhundert Hertz
V3 UScA, V11 GSDCA, Pulled NASS

Marco vom Mittelwest II
V12 USA / VA4 GSDCA

Lena vom Mittelwest II
VP3 GSDC, VP13 UScA - but different age groups

Hunter vom Nordteich
V9 UScA  V3 GSDCA

Fynn von den Oher Tannen
SG1 NASS  SG3 UScA

Esto aus Mecklenburg
V9 NASS V1 GSDCA

Daenerys von der RNR Ranch
SG4 NASS, SG12 GSDCA

Alta-Tollhaus Edelweiss Jessica
SG12,  SG5

Tinka von der Waterkant
V2, V4, V2

Tiara vom Mittelwest
V1 GSDCA and V5 UcA

Panzer von Melanchthon
V15 UScA, V7 GSDCA V3 NSS

 

Blitzen,

Not applicable.  Guideline for judges actions.

Nothing to do with others who are selected by the org.

Rory was selected by the WDA not the judge.  Again, all orgs have a conflict of interest policy and all orgs have addressed how related a helper can be to the dogs.  Rory doesn't fall under those guidelines.

Lets look at this another way.

What about where a helper does the training for a dog or a group of dogs and then gets selected to work that event?  Wouldn't that be a conflict as well?

 

Applicable because of the intent of the guideline that should apply to anyone and everyone who is working at or organizing a dog show. I know how judges and helpers are selected for both SV and AKC shows. Avoid all perceptions of impropriety......... In the dog world perception is reality.

 

If you follow the rules and the guidelines you are acting correctly.  That's what they are for.

You use "should" to try and extend the intent.  You can extend an intent all you want, doesn't mean the rest of the world has to follow it.

The rules were followed.  The rules are the same across ALL the Orgs.

You never answered the question.  What about the helper and the dogs he's worked when the helper gets selected?  All the dogs he's trained should be barred from entering becuase it would be an impropriety? What about a competitors dogs who works on that helper? Is it assumed that the helper will be hostile to a competitors dogs?  How far down the mousehole would you like to take this ridiculousness?

Mklevin,

You bring up more examples why the community is convinced the WDA is corrupt. The situation where the WDA determined your sibling is not a relative if they don't live with you. In the rest of the world your sister or brother is considered a relative. I know this may come as a surprise since your buddies determined a sibling maybe even a twin is not related to you unless they live with you. Yes, in the world of the WDA it was determined after careful consideration,, your relatives are no longer relatives once they move out. Some people have a hard time believing this.

I'll look at it your way too and give you an example. Two dogs were training with Steve prior to the 2010 NASS. They had been working with him since they arrived. They worked with him up until the time he was selected as a helper for the event. At that point he would no longer work either dog as he felt it may create the impression of an advantage. So he stopped working those and all dogs in the competition. It's called ethics. Some people still have them.

MK,

Let me respond to your last post about helpers working dogs that will be entered in the event. Everyone in the world recognizes that a helper may have worked dogs in the competition at one time or another. The difference comes in when your relative is running and participating in the event.