Any one knows of a Vet in NYC ( five boroughs and a bit beyond ) that sees WL dogs? - Page 15

Mithuna,
If you are so sure of what you are seeing with your dog's behavior, why still come on here and ask for advice?

The problem is it is the same 2 clicking on the thread, plus a few friends. Not bad, I guess if you want to both be the center of attention. There is a word for it but I will not use it here. I don't care if it is getting a million hits a minute. You 2 need to stop. I hope I am clear on this because I would hate to read later the whining at another forum about how unfairly you were treated here. When the squeaky wheel needs greased I will be more than happy to oblige.

No problem. I'll click on somebody else website for fun, instead. Sorry to click on your site.

So, you are admitting you are doing this for fun, sad. Arguing with people is fun for you, wow. Go get your thrills someplace else. Because this thread really isn't about learning, sharing or experiencing new friends, instead it is about the show you can put on, pathetic. You guys have taken this thread so far off topic, why don't you 2 get all cuddly with each other in PMs?

Bye, bye and don't forget your toys.

OK Mithuna - this will be my last attempt to get the point across about having control of your dog so that she is not a liability.

What would your dog do, if you are walking down a street and a person comes out of a building entrance onto the sidewalk quickly, right into you/your dog, as that person is not really paying attention? That person is now in your dog's space, without your dog having made the approach, as you say that is how it must be for your dog to not become reactive and aggressive. What do you think your dog would do? Now imagine if that person is a child. That is a very realistic scenario that can happen in the city and a dog that will react aggressively, not under control, and go for a bite is a DEAD dog walking. You CANNOT control all variables in your daily life when out walking your dog, the unexpected WILL happen, it's just a matter of time.

Even on that other site, the experienced people will say that aggression WITHOUT CONTROL, is nothing but a liability. Since you have already started teaching your dog bitework, you must teach your dog to bite ONLY ON COMMAND. Period, end of. Otherwise your dog will not live to an old age, and you will be the one responsible for that.

Irrespective of any war of words with Joan, I would
appreciate an answer to my question, Mithuna. If the
posters on other forum have dogs who display identical
behaviour, but agree with you about the cause and the
right way to manage it (or not), why did you need to post
the search for a NY area vet., who doesn't mind the poss-

ibility of being attacked, on here ? Surely you could/would

want to ask your 'new gang' if they can recommend anyone ?

Unless Joan has a point about your real purpose in
posting, of course.

Hund to answer your questions:

Because I started to read that site AFTER I submitted this post here. Of course I can ask, but the " gang" reference is not necessary.


" Unless Joan has a point about your real purpose in
posting, of course."
I guess Joan has privy to the content of my awareness.

Here is a quote from a lecture PETER VAN OIRSCHOT ( Supervisor of Breed Affairs S.V Nehterlands )
".... At a Breed Survey in Holland in December 2002 conducted by myself, I breed surveyed over 40 GSD..... I saw some extraordinarily good GSD in the courage test. On the same day DNA testing was carried out in a small room by a Vet. The dogs had to enter an overcrowded canteen. Afterwards I was told that some of the dogs which did extremely well in the courage test and had high standards in the trials, behaved very nervously when testing for DNA. Some dogs could not be tested without being muzzled. "

If I were to overlay Mr Oirschot's observations with the " expert" opinion gathered on this PDB thread , I would have to come to the conclusion that a FEARFUL dog ( PBD experts view of dog muzzled during vetting ) can do well in a standard courage test ( and have good trial performance too).

So by PDB experts view a dog can be simultaneously FEARFUL and COURAGEOUS.

Can I have some further clarification ?

 

Here's an example for you with one of my first dogs which I trained in schutzhund. This dog was a Belgian Tervuren, not from "working" lines, and not a strong dog. He had sufficient prey drive to get through the exercises, and his bitework training was done in prey without much pressure. He did not have the courage to take hardcore pressure, but he felt "safe" on the sleeve because that's how we trained him. In his trial for SchI, he did all the bitework exercises and received a "pronounced" rating from an SV judge. This just goes to illustrate that just because a dog may APPEAR as strong on the sport field, it just may be the result of training and not the dog's actual level of courage.

Some vets require dogs be muzzled and some owners want their dog muzzled. Some PDB experts are exactly that experts by years and years of experience, slamming them with this condescending tone is baiting . How many years have you owned GSDs, trained GSDs, bred GSDs or worked in a vets office?