Pedigree - Page 2

Do they mostly come at 6 months though guys (CKC). Apparently it's when he turns 6 months but I'm unsure. We've been waiting for 3-4 months now.

@ Koots -- that's true, but breeder already has went off on me multiple times, it's a big headache, I lost a friend too (co-worker) because of it. Also, if I ever decide to return him, I really would not want breeder declining me because she saw this.

I sent the pedigree to Western, it's probably one of the fake ones and the real one & papers are coming in soon, most likely. The amount of people just commenting is just really getting to me. Such a headache.

I can't remember how long it took to get my dog's ped from AKC, but the wheels turn slowly at CKC so give it time. If you don't have the papers from CKC by the time he's 9 months old then look into it.

If you decide to return the dog because he is dangerous or you cannot manage him, do you think the breeder will take him back? And if so, do you really want a replacement puppy from the same breeder?

I'm not getting a replacement puppy, could never do that, I'm already on an emotional roller coaster with him right now, my bond with him is strong, the pup has terribly bad anxiety, can't even leave him for a minute without him freaking out, and him crying crazy when I come home, at home, he's an amazing dog, and a couch potato.. Outside, it's just too much for him.

If I do return him, it'd be because I can manage him (I failed, if he ends up biting someone). Then, that's when I would have to, I would decline even if breeder did offer me a replacement puppy. I refuse to ever buy from that breeder again, and I still regret it.

Have taken him to classes, and have training with him, we see improvement, but that improvement gets flushed down the drain because one thing sets him off, and we're at square A ... Again. Yesterday he attempted to attack my friend who came over. He has also attempted to attack an old lazy, hitting her with his nose, and than attempting to bite her, while snarling and growling.

I've never seen such poor temperament in a dog in my entire life. I've met many fearful dogs, and have fostered many fearful ones, but none of their issues were this bad, and I was fine with all of those dogs.

I'm looking into getting him a muzzle... Might as well do that if I want to keep him, I can barely psychically hold him too when he lunges at people.

I'll wait then, thanks. It's odd though how breeder said it's coming in the mail, but never did.... Hope the pedigree we got IS a fake temporarily one though. I don't think I did meet his dam either...

At least that takes some stress off my shoulders.

I sent you a PM on what you sent me

Pictures are a very cute normal size 8-9 week puppy.

If you are not worried about doing further business with this person then post their name and kennel asking for information

If you can't get pedigree information, Reg numbers on dam and sire so that you can contact CKC and see about your papers if the litter was reg, then move this post to ripoff/scam section.

Being afraid gives them the power.

Thank you Western, if I do not get anything at around 6 months - 9 months, I will be calling breeder out on it, and putting a review so no one ever falls into the same issue as we did, nobody deserves to go through this when purchasing a puppy. I will also post in the ripoff/scam section, rather than being afraid.

Thank you all.

Do not wait to get the Dam and Sires reg numbers do it now.  That has nothing to do with CKC.  Then you can check on progress and find out if the litter has even been reg. with them, then you can wait for CKC to issue you papers.  You need the reg numbers now.

As Western Rider says, this breeder is bullying and trying to make you afraid in the hopes that you will just go away and not ask difficult questions or make her responsible. This is exactly how someone who breeds sub-par dogs behaves when told about their fearful, poor temperament dog/pup. Do NOT let this person bully you.   Maybe you could save someone else the heartache that you are experiencing, because I have a feeling this breeder has produced more of this type of dog, and will continue to do so.   I would "out" this person if it was me....

Learn to use a prong collar to control his lunging at people and pulling you.
http://leerburg.com/fit-prong.htm
Shows you how to fit it and use it.

Sorry, everyone is going to hate me for this - but I just HAVE to point out one or two very odd things about this whole thred: Holesinmyboots, you started the OP by talking about your "current" puppy (like you had had a line of dogs in the past - and therefore some experience) and only in a later post did you tell us "this is my first dog". Strike one; so how are you judging how bad this pup's behaviour is, what are you comparing it to ? When it acts up if you try to leave it alone, how are you deciding that is the fault of the pup, to which you are so bonded - maybe you have over-babied him and taught him he can rely on only you, so you have to be there ? You tell us originally that at the breeders it was all very unsatisfactory: you didn't meet the mother, there was one puppy talked about but you weren't sure which it was; the other pups there looked a very different size, you weren't sure they were all the same litter ... Every book, every web entry one sees on 'picking a new puppy' tells you to see the pups with their dam, to ask the breeder which one s/he is picking for you (if you are not the one doing the picking), to ask the breeder about the paperwork, see the pedigree and health certificates for yourself. Whether you did the 'homework' and read those suggestions or not, you clearly felt unhappy AT THE BREEDER'S KENNEL, AT THE TIME OF PURCHASE - so why did you not say "No thanks" and walk away ? Strike two. I do hope other people who are ABOUT TO BUY A PUPPY read stories like this one AND LEARN FROM THEM.

 

I am truly sorry you got unlucky, and that you found both an untypical, problematic pup, and a breeder who is clearly neither concientious nor kind; I wish you well for the future, I really do.  But I also wish you (and others in your situation) would  educate yourself better BEFORE becoming an owner of a dog ...

Huh Hundmutter, what are you trying to say, woah, woah, you are really jumping the gun here.

And no, this is my first dog, my first puppy. The way I type I guess made it sound like I had a whole line of dogs, but gosh no, this is literally my first dog, I do know a lot about dogs, since I've always wanted a dog for more than 10 years, and was planning on becoming a veterinarian because of my love a dogs, despite that not mattering to the 'dog training' world, I use to volunteer at my shelter the moment I turned 16,I'm older now, obviously. I use to take care of another friend of mine Shiloh Shepherd and male German Shepherd. Both were confident dogs, with amazing personalities, as to why I fell so in love with the Shepherd breed. So the only experience I have, is some knowledge on how to do most things, but I do not know a lot, really.

I took him to a trainer, and she stated he was fear aggressive, I thought my dog was the most perfect puppy in the world, despite how fearful he was at 8 weeks. I never thought of the idea he was fear aggressive, until later when I started picking up signs, yet, I completely ignored them, like I said, I have slight dog knowledge, not the biggest, but I do have some... My trainer who has been training dogs for 30 years & also volunteers with the homeless owns 2 Shepherds, or 3, she also knew the breeder as well as her best friend works for a GSD rescue here in Canada, and her friend knows the breeders dogs because they END UP THERE. So before she took my puppy in, she knew what she was getting involved with because she had experiencing rehabbing the breeders same dogs.. That is why I compared it too.

Not ever did I over-baby him, at 8 weeks old, the first day we brought him home, he had the most unusual behavior he was scared of all of us, and when I say, scared, he was terrified, he would back up and avoid us, and as a puppy he would never make eye contact, it took me 2 months of training with him to get eye contact going, something he majorly avoided. We would bring friends over, one at a time, and he would avoid them. Police officers have also come to take a look at him, he avoided them too. Anyone who would try to even pet him as a puppy, he would hide behind me. I never forced interaction with him. The only person as a puppy he'd interact with, were kids age of 4.. Small kids. When we would take him for walks, he would freak out, despite him use to the collar & leash, he would panic, and basically shut down, than start jumping up on me because he wanted to go home, I ignored this all (because I did know the signs), and kept walking, it took me again, 2 months to get him use to walking on the leash because of how much anxiety he has.

He has anxiety when any of us leave, despite him being bonded the most to me, my younger cousin could leave to go into a store, and he'll freak out, his mind never stops, so I have to walk him to calm him down, because of his freak outs.

Keep in mind, at the time of purchasing this puppy, my own mother almost got murdered, this is why we desperately decided it was time to actually get a dog, something that could make her happy, and so she could feel safe.

Also, I am aware I was suppose to meet the mother, I was not the one who recommended me this breeder, I actually had another breeder in mind who I wanted to go see, a friend of mine & co-worker, was the reason why I was dragged to this breeder, she booked our appointments, and told me to go here. I assumed the breeders dogs were absolutely amazing dogs due to the fact that my co-worker had a puppy from her.. Well not her, but someone who bought dogs from her and bred them.. Her dog was one amazing well-behaved sweet dog, a sweet bear, but clearly had fearful issues too that I never took notice of. Because of this, I assumed the puppies, and the breeder were amazing.

During our appointment, my co-worker who also had an appointment, budged in during my appointment, this is why it was so hard for me to ask questions, because my co-worker was asking her own questions to benefit herself, rather than me, because she too, wanted a dog. Our appointment was a complete mess. My co-worker also kept telling me to trust her, which I did. I trusted her with everything, despite being stupidly desperate for my puppy.

I asked to play with the puppies, we asked to see the parents, instead, she showed us her main sire of the kennel, the one who won so many show titles. I do not remember seeing her mom, maybe I did, some people recall seeing the dam, but I do not believe that is true. I asked to play with the puppies too see their personalities, but I was strictly denied. Because.. "They were tired" keep in mind, this was 11:00 AM in the morning, the pups were not tired, she had a family before us playing with them, yet wouldn't allow us because we didn't "visit them often."

I was blind sided by how adorable the puppies were, I, was hesitant to put my deposit down. Very hesitant, but my co-worker, kept pushing me and saying, they're all great puppies. Not to mention, the breeder kept pushing me by saying people from all over the country, different countries.. All over the world come to buy her dog, and that her reservation list is full, very full (which it is, there was a list.) and could literally care less (she told us this), because people buy her dogs in a heart beat...

I put my deposit down, I had to wait an entire week and a day before I got this puppy.
She never even called us to pick him up, simply because she didn't care. Pickup day, the 'friendly' breeder, turned into an aggressive breeder, very, rude & an entirely different person she once had acted.

Keep in mind, during that week, for 3 days I had asked people on GSD forums if this breeder was a good breeder, I waited, and waited, yet, nobody responded (I honestly wish I had come here, I really wish I did), so, I assumed the breeder was fine. There were two reviews online that the breeder's dog had stomach issues & fearful aggression. But, I didn't believe them, hm. Two bad reviews, why would MY puppy be like that? Right? What's the possibility, out of TWO litters, that seemed FINE, why would it happen to me?

This is how I had ended up with this dog. I did do my homework, but was blinded by how cute the pups were, and how desperate we were for a dog, you'd think a breeder of more than 25 years of experience, titled dogs... Etc, would have a passion to create the best dogs possible, yet, clearly does not.

All the dogs were in outside kennels, breeder stated all of them "come in her house at night" I highly doubt that, the house was a regular size ranch house, there was easily over 15 dogs locked in kennels, sitting there, barking at any person who walks by, non-stop. Clearly the puppies stayed outside too (maybe?) because they had a tarp over their outdoor 'pen' two tarps that covered only half. Some pool of water, that was dirty, and littered puppy feces all over the ground.

Also, I like to mention, my co-worker who has bred Shepherds, never got the dog from the breeder, instead, my co-worker, got 3 gorgeous German line dogs, with perfect sound temperament for herself, yet blames me for 'messing' up my dog. Which is nonsense, because he was always odd at 8 weeks. I believe my co-worker purposely did this to me, so I could give up on him and give him to her so she could breed him, and so she wouldn't have to pay $1,800 for another male. She constantly asks me if I'm selling him, and tells me I should just give him to her, and she will 'fix' him up. Because, I clearly destroyed him. And when she means 'fixes' (keep), she offered to buy him from me for $200 because again I 'messed him up' but now she demands I give him to her for free, because again he's 'messed up.'

I've read count less of books so far, because of how desperate I am with him, I'm doing all I can, I've tried correcting the behavior, sometimes it helps, but one trigger, and it's square A all over again.

He is also insanely aggressive with dogs, which my trainer saw through her own eyes and had to get the bitter apple spray because he literally attempted to attack the dogs for no reason. His confidence level is very low, she even did a confidence test with him as well, he's very insecure. Even at 8 weeks, to 12 weeks he was dog aggressive, which I've never seen in my life with a puppy.