Coco - Page 3

No offense, Lunastar, but after spending 10 years of my life breeding, raising, training and racing Siberian Huskies, I am quite comfortable in saying that this girl is NOT a purebred Siberian Husky.

She could be what we called an "Alaskan Husky", meaning a blend of Alaskan village dog, Siberian Husky, and one or more other breeds added in an effort to gain a particular trait--GSDs for added size, Walker Coonhounds for lighter bone, longer legs, leaner body type, and so forth. WRT to Siberian coat colors site, it's not exactly accurate--some of the dogs pictured are NOT 'wolf grey', they're agoutis and sables [the latter describes something very different in that breed than when used for GSDs, or Collies & Shelties], with and without white markings.

Swarn,

Where did I say I was? That was by pure chance, I had no idea she would have one...

You're clear now...

Sunsilver, gotcha. Well, as long as I'm not a BYB then I'm not too worried. I definitely plan on doing all the necessary steps to breed properly, health checks, etc. as you can see, I'm trying to learn as much as I can to be 'responsible'. :) And I do it for the love of my own single dog too. I plan on keeping some of her puppies if I ever do breed her. It's her bloodline (as in not just her ancestors, but her passing onto the next generation) that I am after, that's for sure (but I won't let that blind me if there are problems in health).

And even if the most recent breeders are BYB, with just 1 or 2 generations back you can start seeing 'responsible' breeding, so it's worth it to try and keep that tradition/bring it back in her generation. In fact an impressive line of breeds after you get past recent generations. I know the pedigree will always have that gap, but hopefully I can re-prove her worth by going through the proper assessment/titling/training/health checks.

The way I see it, all the work and potential gained by the responsible breeders were unfortunately tarnished by these BYB in the recent generation, but I don't believe that should all go out the window because of some irresponsible BYB's, if I can reestablish her bloodline dignity (so to speak), then I will seek to preserve the hard work and potential gained by these highly responsible breeders prior to the BYBs that clearly picked up one of the pups from the responsible breeders and then irresponsibly bred themselves.

 

Right now this thread is a lot about her purity and my potential breeding and her breeders, and I understand that, it's to establish some background as obviously that's the first topic that comes up when you see a dog like her, but once I start doing more official things with her (clubs and trials) and get her DNA tested, I wish to talk about the events and more about the dog herself like how she is doing, etc, this post is a general post just about her in general, just to make sure I keep that clear.

Afterall, there's really no point questioning her purity, either she is, or she isn't, it's obviously peculiar that she has an official pedigree, but as established, fraud happens, and that's not the focus of this post, I will end up finding out anyway once I do the DNA test, so there's no real point guessing and speculating redundantly.

@OP: Reasons you ought not to consider breeding on from this animal AS A REGISTERED GSD (not commenting on whether you breed from her as an unregistered mutt, particularly if she becomes a great sport dog) :

HEALTH TESTING (i.e. up to her birth, not what you put on her); overall structure; coat, colour & pigment (never mind the mask, that is one really pale 'sable'); length of tail.

Future generations of GSD fanciers would hardly thank you if the appearance (pretty as she is) became masked and then threw up again in puppies they buy further down the road, and they got the same surprise you did.

When the outcome has strayed as far as this from the Breed Standard, i.e. as to be frequently mistaken for another breed, nothing you could do as an individual would "bring it back" to earlier dogs in the pedigree, trust me.

Is this the breeder you got her from? Another link... 

I ask because I would absolutely doubt the veracity of the registrations on anything from the individual referenced in these links.

Facebook page

Photos here.

😠 scum

OP, when you'll be experienced enough to become a RESPONSIBLE breeder, you'd KNOW which dog is breedworthy enough to become your foundation bitch. I do sincerely hope that your current dog will be past her breeding age by that time.

Meanwhile, the second paragraph of Sunsilver's definition of BYB is worth a second read.

Wish I hadn't looked at those links posted by Hexe. Shame on the owner and more shame on the ppeople that handed them back to herx100

I'm not sure Winnal is aware of it, but the reverse mask is considered a fault, because the muzzle of a GSD is supposed to be black. It's not a disqualifying fault, though, and I've seen an old video of the DDR soldiers working their dogs. The majority of the dogs had reverse masks! The mask is a recessive trait, and most likely came from Coco's linebreeding on Lord.

Fans of The Littlest Hobo TV show love the reverse mask, of course. Chuck Eisenman, owner and trainer of the Hobo dogs was aware that the mask might become popular, so he refused to reveal the dog's bloodlines, to prevent unscrupulous people from trying to breed and profit from them, as has happened with Rin Tin Tin and Lassie. He also bred the dogs to bitches from numerous kennels, so no one kennel could claim to have 'the market' on the Hobo dogs. Since the mask is recessive, it was a difficult trait to breed for, which is another thing that helped prevent it from becoming too popular. (Please forgive the digression, I'm a fan of the dogs and the TV show... )

Winnal has told me about Coco's temperament, and it definitely sounds like she has the ability to work and do IPO. I certainly wish him (and her) the best!

Sometimes you get lucky in spite of irresponsible breeders. Two of the best GSDs I've ever had didn't even have papers.

 

Winnal, I really liked you when you talked about "family dog" and "IPO" - now you talk about "breeding" -
why the heck?

Why don´t you just have fun with your dog?
I am glad she is that special for you, but she is not special for the breed.

There is no need to "reestablish" any bloodline, there are thousands of good looking ( per standard, not per heart ), healthy, trained, titled and shown GSDs out there, carrying better bloodlines and, more important, carrying the same quality, DNA tested, for generations. Look around...

I would applause in case your dog will win the next IPO championship, but even in that case you shouldn´t breed her. No title will change her conformation ( and color ).

Conformation + health + working ability = breed worthy, not one of it, but all of it

Winnal, I have had 6 German Shepherds with impressive American Show Line pedigrees but only one of them was "breed worthy". The breeding was only done because we bought the dog on breeder's terms and were required to have one litter with the sire of the breeder's choice. None of the adorable puppies turned out to be show or breed worthy. All of my dogs have been beautiful if not show quality and absolutely the best dogs for me. My current dog loves scent work and I have fun watching her do something she loves and is good at. Enjoy your beautiful dog and engage in activities she can excel in. That doesn't rule out breeding at another time with another dog.