Thoughts on KNPV PH1 Ody - Page 4

What if instead of running from the suddenly approaching judge the dog instead moved forward and bit the judge . Would that be considered nervy as well? Why or why not?

in IPO it would be nervy, in KNPV a dog with big balls 

Duke was that answer meant just to provoke BW or Barenfangs?

little bit fun, LOL, I have sold several dogs to KNPV that come off the helper to bite the third man approaching, many sportpeople (in KNPV) dont like it, I do, wouldnot call it nervy, but than again it depends on ones definition of nervy

just bought this female almost 12  months from IPO trainer who finds her to nervy for IPO sport

https://youtu.be/BjlYJ-WgGFU

 

Duke what is the basis for calling that female nervy?

As far as I am aware nervy is the behavioral manifestation that results from the overall thickness of the nerve sheaths in the animal( and subsequently how incoming stimuli is sequestered ). If the nerve sheaths are thin the animal is very easily affected by environmental cues and respond accordingly. If the nerve sheaths are thick the animal is less susceptible to environmental cues and the response of the animal/dog is internally driven ( as opposed to a reactive response from an overwhelm of environmental stimuli ).
In some animals nerviness came express itself as overt aggression or immediate flight ( and the bodily responses that go with it ).

So both aggression and flight can be manicfestations of nerviness, but it seems that for a working animal the aggression  may be more useful.

I think not focussing 100% on the sleeve, I wouldnot call her nervy, this is first training with me, on new place on new helper, with previous trainer her grip wasnot calm, I see this in todays training quite a bit, I dont correct her on civil but encourage it

 

here is another young male I took from an IPO trainer, also chewy on sleeve, in training allways corrected for showing agression and than forced to take preybite, how to confuse a dog, I put him on suit , no sleeve for a while and he can behave how he wants, he will have a calm grip in no time

https://youtu.be/Wx3jYRA3vxo

Theory confirmed, the IPO wash outs are Duke's real dogs.

 

Alternatively; working gsd are bred for success at IPO, if they fail they become police dogs.

In regards to attacking the judge…if the judge moved slow and steady, I don’t know if I’d expect the dog to attack, but if the judge ran towards the passive helper and the dog came off, I wouldn’t fault the dog. The helper is passive/done fighting so the dog can easily perceive the judge as another helper and attack. If the helper was moving and still engaging the dog and it came off because the judge was nearby…I’d question the nerves of the dog.

Nerves aren’t only seen in bitework. Many times, bitework can cover up weak nerves. Dog is in drive and overcomes any insecurities it might have. Female in the video looks very nice, but is also being worked in all prey, even the frontal positions aren’t very threatening (which they don’t need to be) but the dog is worked well and I wouldn’t expect to see any nerve in that scenario. Without knowing the former handler, I don’t know what he saw in the dog, a lot of dogs…will buckle in tracking or obedience where the drive isn’t as high and they cannot be corrected or have issues doing things because of the nerve. If the handler wanted a dog to go far with…she might not have been the one if she did have too much nerve to handle the pressure in the other two phases when her drive is lower. In summary, the video doesn’t PROVE the dog has strong nerves or that the former handler training her for IPO was incorrect in his evaluation.

VK, sorry but both these dogs come from classic czech lines, both sires are NOT IPO dogs but work in old czech programs like ZVV and TART