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by Sunsilver on 25 July 2013 - 12:07
Yeah, well try telling the American show line people that, SM! 
by GSD Lineage on 25 July 2013 - 13:07
They have some wide bodies too, In fact, they have some stuff i have never imagined before.
My eyes have been offended since yesterday, but I can't stop looking. In fact I even saw some GSDs that looked like they were from the 1930s (Oriental Wolf Dog of Some Sort? 视频: 河间狼青)
My eyes have been offended since yesterday, but I can't stop looking. In fact I even saw some GSDs that looked like they were from the 1930s (Oriental Wolf Dog of Some Sort? 视频: 河间狼青)
by Blitzen on 25 July 2013 - 13:07
I think puppy selection is more about experience and knowing one's own bloodlines than it is about not "getting it". As it turned out, I saw the puppy Sunsilver asked me about. He was significantly cow hocked at 3 months old, but had a correct rear as an adult. I'd have sold him as a pet and would have regretted it in the end. It happens all the time.
The AKC breeders don't have the locks on breeding bad GSD's you know.
The AKC breeders don't have the locks on breeding bad GSD's you know.
by Dawulf on 25 July 2013 - 14:07
This dog popped up on the front page for me today.
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=717517-bosco-domus-didacus
He is no where near as extreme as some of those Chinese dogs, but you can easily see how it could get to that point in just a couple generations... and he is a Vegas du Haut Mansard son! Look at his progeny - particularly the 'Q' ones. They have very big, short heads too. What a shame.
ETA - Here is a dog from the 70's with a very domey head too... http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=1402-ingo-von-overhagen
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=717517-bosco-domus-didacus
He is no where near as extreme as some of those Chinese dogs, but you can easily see how it could get to that point in just a couple generations... and he is a Vegas du Haut Mansard son! Look at his progeny - particularly the 'Q' ones. They have very big, short heads too. What a shame.
ETA - Here is a dog from the 70's with a very domey head too... http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=1402-ingo-von-overhagen
by DebiSue on 25 July 2013 - 15:07
I too have noticed the larger heads and shoulders being bred into the GSD of today and it makes me sick! I spotted the "domes" and crappy stops in the WDA magazine and wondered WTF? I just figured it was me and what do I know....I know what I like and I'm not liking what they are doing to this magnificent breed. If I wanted a mastiff breed, then that is what I would buy!!
by kitkat3478 on 25 July 2013 - 19:07
Most people that state they want a blocks head, are not seeking that.At least not only experience.
Usually, that is in reference to DDR dogs, not showing.
I have been myself trying to find out these bloodlines of these 'grotesque' German Shepherds.
I have read that Laras V Batu has sired many litters in China, so my assumption is that he is a large contributor to this line, (yes, I know what happens when you assume).
If my computer was working. right, I would be looking up a translation .
Usually, that is in reference to DDR dogs, not showing.
I have been myself trying to find out these bloodlines of these 'grotesque' German Shepherds.
I have read that Laras V Batu has sired many litters in China, so my assumption is that he is a large contributor to this line, (yes, I know what happens when you assume).
If my computer was working. right, I would be looking up a translation .
by Sunsilver on 26 July 2013 - 12:07
What is happening here has a definite cultural component. Dogs like the Pekingese and other dogs with short snouts that have originated in China such as the Shih-tzu, have been bred to resemble the Chinese lion, which has great cultural significance: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070406153502AAeWW87
Lion statue:
Pekingnese
See also 'foo dog' for list of breeds bred to resemble lions:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_Dog The name for the Shih tzu actually MEANS 'lion dog'! (Shizi Gou,)
It is obvious that breeders are trying to make the German shepherd into another 'lion' dog. It may not be correct, but it has cultural appeal to Chinese buyers.
Lion statue:
Pekingnese
See also 'foo dog' for list of breeds bred to resemble lions:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_Dog The name for the Shih tzu actually MEANS 'lion dog'! (Shizi Gou,)
It is obvious that breeders are trying to make the German shepherd into another 'lion' dog. It may not be correct, but it has cultural appeal to Chinese buyers.
by Prager on 26 July 2013 - 13:07
I suspect that in generating of these silly pitiful specimen, there is a mastiff somewhere. DNA would be in order. If there is not a Mastiff in the mix then genetic flexibility of the breed is tremendous. Such flexibility could be curse or blessing. Here we see the curse. All the breeds and the dogs within the breeds are the result of the culture which breeds them.
Look at the dogs from 1920
and 2000+
the difference is tremendous but we accept it since it is in the realm of what the GSD should be - the working dog. There are tangents on which the breeders are venturing often succumbing to fads which has nothing to do with ability of GSD to work. We see one of such appalling trends here. I suspect this particular trend is so bizarre that it will extinguish itself by itself or it will lead to new breed. But by no means this fad has chance to persist as GSD. At least I hope so.
However look at other breeds which TOTALLY AND probably IRREVERSIBLY were destroyed by fads. Doberman, Irish setter, Collie,.... Let this to be warning for breeders promoting working GSD.
Prager Hans
Look at the dogs from 1920
and 2000+ the difference is tremendous but we accept it since it is in the realm of what the GSD should be - the working dog. There are tangents on which the breeders are venturing often succumbing to fads which has nothing to do with ability of GSD to work. We see one of such appalling trends here. I suspect this particular trend is so bizarre that it will extinguish itself by itself or it will lead to new breed. But by no means this fad has chance to persist as GSD. At least I hope so. However look at other breeds which TOTALLY AND probably IRREVERSIBLY were destroyed by fads. Doberman, Irish setter, Collie,.... Let this to be warning for breeders promoting working GSD.
Prager Hans
by Sunsilver on 26 July 2013 - 13:07
Well said, Hans!
by Rik on 26 July 2013 - 14:07
I agree with Hans 100% but just couldn't bring myself to participate in a thread where such noted GSD authorities (on PDB) seem to believe that the GSD can become so distorted in just a generation or two.
someone in China is profiting from creating dogs that match the China ideal of what a dog should be (please research the Chinese breeds) and others on the PDB are using these monstrosities to promote whatever their agenda is, most often without ever actually investing the finances, time to actually produce what they consider a correct GSD.
Maybe a friend gave them a correct GSD and now they are expert.
anyway, pleased to see that at least Hans and SS saw through this farce.
jmo,
Rik.
someone in China is profiting from creating dogs that match the China ideal of what a dog should be (please research the Chinese breeds) and others on the PDB are using these monstrosities to promote whatever their agenda is, most often without ever actually investing the finances, time to actually produce what they consider a correct GSD.
Maybe a friend gave them a correct GSD and now they are expert.
anyway, pleased to see that at least Hans and SS saw through this farce.
jmo,
Rik.
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