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Thank you for posting Mr. Lanting!!
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The excessively curved topline began in the era (1970s & 80s) when the Martin brothers ruled the SV (including what dogs won the Sieger shows) and heavily influenced the look of the breed all over the world.

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Woohoo... an answer to my question!!!!!

Wow..the people who run the SV have tons of power!!  Maybe they should make it like a big committee to make things more democratic so that no way person can overpower the will of all the others?  Everything would have to pass by a majority vote.....

You know, as I reseached more and looked at breeding programs from across the world, the dogs of the breeders who did not show in the ring, all still look the same as the old days! So, I guess the show ring really is the driving force for our breed.

I was reading one of my GSD books last night. I read that way back, the german shepherds were starting to look different so the head guy there chose a completely different type of dog to be sieger named Klodo.  But, I wonder if in todays ring........ there are simply no dogs of completely different type to choose from?

Thanks again for taking the time to post!

Hello Mr. Lanting and it's a pleasure to see you posting.

Ibrahim from Jordan

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I think if you read Von Stephanitz's REASONS for why he felt a shift was needed and thus implemented with a dog of a different type; you will not find those same reasons as being important enough to motivate the SV/Judges to do the same.

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GSD toplines started suffering in the late 1970s






Very good rear angulation – GSD






Trommel’s Jasmine –correct structure = correct trot

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Front assembly traced from radiograph





Where to measure layback angle





Rear angulation

That bottom pucture? Now THAT'S good reach! Very nice American line bitch!

Compare that with the current SV showline dogs. I tried very hard to find a picture of one of them gaiting off lead or on a loose lead, but was unsuccessful. Maybe someone else can help out?

Fred, I was wondering if we could persuade you to address the 'goose stepping' gait that is so often seen in current German showlines? I know it's partly due to the dog being on a tight leash, but anatomy plays a role as well.

Once again we have unflattering photos put on here to try n prove a point.Now i have owned german S/L gsds since 1986,altho my foundation bitch was half german(sire)n half english lines(dam)Cassie took after her paternal sire n all the stud dogs i have used have been of mostly german lines.My present show bitch(now aged nearly 9(dec2nd2011)has a backline as the 2nd photo.The 1st photo IMO.has the bitch stood on a box,which doesnt look big enuf for the bitch to stand on n she looks to be uncomfortable on there as it appears to me that she,s been stacked almost twisted to one side.If she was stacked correctly i would have thought that her hind limbs would not be on the box as the box underneath looks too short for her body length.I would also enquire as to how old this shep.is?,as my Chiki as a yearling bitch was slightly rangier at that age.Carole S.

Sunsilver,you wont find a lot of off lead gaiting photos here in the UK as thats only gonna be obligatory here in the uk gsd regional events from next year n yes most of the germanic sheps shown over here anyway are trained from an early age(too early in my books)to pull excessively into the lead n to run far too fast.Carole S.

Sorry, I hadn't included Fred's captions with the images.  They're in there now.