provide some examples of any endurance based animal (dog or not) that is shaped like a gsd. - Page 17

lineage, perhaps you should go back a few pages, the blatant animal abuse/cruelty  that is apparently widespread amongst so many of those horse  trainers to get that gait is absolutely disgusting, we should not glorify them by posting links of how great the finished product looks...imo

haha - "I remember reading something about increasing size and weight for police work, as a small dog is not intimidating and couldn't take down and hold someone."

so i guess all thosedog  brokers, military handlers and LEO have been duped when the effectively displaced the gsd in favor of the mal/ds.

those stupid dutch have no idea producing those smaller dogs for knpv. bad guys have just run riot now they have to fight off the mals/ds as they can just brush them aside with their bare hands and continue on their way.


please!!!!! 

spot how many gsd in these vids, see how far you run with one of these little dogs clamped on yr butt;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HykHzPtrsAs


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPXL33bufn0&list=PL07E797A3B93E1C29


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CQeVLAiY4w&list=PL07E797A3B93E1C29

 

I have not posted any images of Animal Abuse. You must also know that High Action is inherited in both dogs and other animals.
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Snip: Dog Gait
The Miniature Pinscher, for example, must have what is called a hackney gait, reminiscent of the gait of a horse. 
Snip 2:
Hackney Horse:
They are an elegant high stepping breed of carriage horse that is popular for showing in harness events. Hackneys possess good stamina, and are capable of trotting at high speed for extended periods of time.
Blackbuck Antelope Prance by the campsite
 

lineage, the vid itself showed no abuse but the training methods that have come to light to get such extreme action for show is savage cruelty and widespread as many reports confirm. the genetic aspect is naturally there for sure but like evrythingt is  more contained than the show performance.

i know you are not promoting cruelty, it is sometimes our innocent and indirect actions like admiring the finished product as a by stander that encourages these cruel practices to continue.

 
vk4gsd PM me any reports of abuse as to hackney gait training method, because I looked that up before posting to be sure I was posting a natural gait. Keep it to PM and if it is true then I will take the hackneys out and place the loose dutch harness brood mare in their place.   

Many years ago I had an American Saddlebred, she was not show trained but still had a higher head position and stepped higher than a grade or quarter horse  .
Its a conformaiton thing.

 

From the min pin breed standard

Forequarters - SHOULDERS clean and sloping with moderate angulation, coordinated to permit the hackney-like action. Elbows close to the body. LEGS - Strong bone development and small clean joints. As viewed from the front, straight and upstanding. PASTERNS strong, perpendicular. DEWCLAWS should be removed. FEET - small, catlike, toes strong, well arched and closely knit with deep pads. NAILS thick, blunt.

Discussion:

The forechest should be developed enough to be seen when the dog is viewed from the side. The clean, sloping shoulders have moderate angulation. To permit the hackney-like action, the rear is slightly more angulated than the front. Steep shoulders are a common deviation. Loaded shoulders are undesirable.

Soring is an abusive and prohibited practice illegal under the U.S. Horse Protection Act of 1970 that is associated in part with the production of "big lick" movement in Tennessee Walking Horses. It involves using chemical agents such as mustard oil, diesel fuel, kerosene, salicylic acid, and other caustic substances on the pasterns, bulbs of the heel, or coronary bands of the horses, causing burning or blistering of the horses' legs in order to accentuate their gaits. These chemicals are harmful, usually quite toxic and sometimes carcinogenic, such that trainers must use a brush and wear gloves when applying them. The treated area is then often wrapped in plastic while the chemicals are absorbed. The chemical agents cause extreme pain, and usually lead to scarring. A distinctive scarring pattern is a tell-tale sign of soring, and therefore attempts may be made to cover the scarring with a dye, or the horse's legs may be treated with salicylic acid before the animal is stalled (as many can not stand up after the treatment) while the skin of the scars sloughs off. Other breeds that have a past history of soring abuses include the Racking horse and the Spotted Saddle horse.





Soring doesn't produce a hackney gait. Horses and dogs with high stepping hackney gaits do so because they have moderate to little shoulder lay back, short upper arms, and shoulder joints that do not open fully. They are bred that way. There are literally hundreds of photos right here of GSD's with a hackney gait used to promote kennels and sell  dogs and puppies. I  suppose the owners think it's correct, it's not. In the dog world we usually call those dogs pounders or padders. They lift their front legs too high for a number of reasons, but their "wrists" don't bend like a hackney horses'. The horse is the picture is a walking horse that has been sored. Note he is fully opening his shoulder joint and his leg is fully extended.


 

I like looking through the BLH results http://www.schaeferhunde.de/blh/archiv/ergebnisse/ mostly for pedigree research, but it might be interesting to look at the structure of those competing. These are the BLH Siegers from 2000 on http://www.schaeferhunde.de/blh/archiv/galerie-der-sieger/, but it is probably better to look at all the dogs that competed, not just the winning dog.

Yes Molly&Jacks, and even the 2007 one (Gero) who is
photographed with the grass show ring background, and
is slightly more in formal 'stance' than the others, looks
to have a reasonable 'shape' of topline.  None of them has
been 'stood', ie set up in the exagerated Show pose with
the leading back leg right under them.  Reminiscent of many
older photos of earlier dogs, which ppl like to use to point
out their arguments against the aesthetics of the structure
and supposed degree of curve to the croup of the 'modern' dogs !