Change of the topline in standard of German Shepherd - Page 2

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Rik

by Rik on 23 November 2010 - 04:11

uber, this is the AKC standard and illustrations from GSDCA.

They persent one dog in picture and a very different dog in practice. They do not even pretend to follow in dog what they present in word.

Best,
Rick

Uber Land

by Uber Land on 23 November 2010 - 04:11

Of course, a firm back doesn’t mean that the spine cannot flex. Flexing is most obvious at the gallop, when the spine itself becomes a instrument of propulsion, particularly through the lumbar region, gathering energy and propelling the body like a spring with each stride. Even at the trot, it may show a tiny bit of flexion at each stride, adding a bit more forward propulsion. A strong back needn’t look like a steel post without any flexibility at all (Fig 14). Despite its flexibility, the spine must remain level.
 

http://www.shawlein.com/The_Standard/11_Movement_3/Movement_3.html

Uber Land

by Uber Land on 23 November 2010 - 04:11

this is the problem with the language barrier.  not every language has the same words or meanings, and each standard for each country is worded differently.


Uber Land

by Uber Land on 23 November 2010 - 04:11

compare these pictures, an illustration of a roach back dog in movement, and then of an actual VA8 male moving
http://www.shawlein.com/The_Standard/04_The_Back/Images/Back%20fig%204.JPG
http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/gallerypictures/40226.jpg

not picking on that dog either, as I think he is beautiful and he has went down on the list I keep of males I like so I can research them more.

by SitasMom on 23 November 2010 - 04:11

so what is the standard changing too? Anyone find out yet?


Uber Land

by Uber Land on 23 November 2010 - 04:11

my only point was bazza stated he wanted to know where the standard said level back. I was just showing some standards do use the term level, along with straight

by bazza on 23 November 2010 - 08:11

I believe THE STANDARD written here is the correct standard, nowhere does it say LEVEL. Level ( like a table???)  means the same no matter what. The example dog here does not have a LEVEL back, straight....yes, gently sloping.....yes, LEVEL......NO!!! Give as many variations of the standard as you wish, there is only one CORRECT standard.....end of. Maybe that's where you have been going wrong over the years, as it seems you are always claiming to have had bad experiences with every " type" you have owned, lol.

Uber Land

by Uber Land on 23 November 2010 - 09:11

BODY : The upper line runs, without any visible break, from the set-on of the neck over the well defined withers and over the back very slightly sloping to the horizontal line, onto the gradually slanting rump. The back is firm, strong and well muscled. The loin is broad, strongly developed and well muscled. The rump should be long, sloping slightly (about 23° to the horizontal) and, without any break in the topline, merge with the tail set-on.
 

taken off Videx's website.  I consider a horizontal line, level. never seen a horizontal line drawn anything but level. now a diagonal line slopes down, but not a horizontal.  slant is in the rump area, not starting at the withers.

Videx

by Videx on 23 November 2010 - 10:11

 back very slightly sloping

This slope can vary considerably, depending on how the dog is stacked/stood.
Other physical differences can also affect the back slope, for instance "short forelegs" can make the back line level or even slope up from the wither. One must never ignore the whole while looking at the detail. Something all GSD Judges should remember.

Uber Land

by Uber Land on 23 November 2010 - 10:11

The back is level when standing normally, and slightly sloped when posed. The withers must be long and high, flowing up into an arched neck and back over a straight back, as this is where the long muscles that move the scapula are found. In a normal spine, the vertebrae are strung together in a straight line, while the long upper spines of each vertebra describe a high arch at the withers, and a longer, lower arch over the lumbar region, with a slight dip in between. In a well muscled dog, this dip is not visible, while the lumbar arch should only be apparent as an arching of the muscles of the loin.
 

http://www.workingdogs.com/lshaw1.htm
 In movement, Dog A shows length of stride, power and suspension. His head is at about 45 degrees, not straining up or down, while his neckline flows down through long, strong, medium high withers, over a short, straight, level backline with no arching or dipping, and down over a gently sloping croup. Because of the sloping withers and croup, there is the appearance of a slight slope to the topline, even though the spine is level.

http://www.workingdogs.com/images/doga1.gif
http://www.workingdogs.com/images/doga3.gif





 


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