How close is to close in line bredings - Page 3

I think 2,3 is pushing the envelope ( the SV agrees apparently ) and 3,3 is a lot more comfortable.  Stacking line breedings together is another land and who knows who lives there and what the rules are.  If you are willing and able to raise all of the puppies in the litter until 12-18 months then you may know the true outcome.  I have a litter of nine now 13 months old that I have kept together under the same environment and nutrition to see what the breeding really produced.  Once you split puppies up at 8-12 weeks the effects of environment and nutrition make a clear picture of what the mating really produced get very blurred.  Every German Shepherd alive today was the product of intense inbreeding at the founding of the breed as are all dog breeds.  We are inbreeding in-breds no matter how we cut the deck and reshuffle the cards.  Dogs have 39 pairs of chromosomes so they are unlike humans in that regards but block inheritance occurs in humans and dogs so we will not change the GSD as much as would like without throwing out some good with the bad.  Could be we have thrown away too much genetic material already while selecting for the "fashionable" traits of the day??

Interesting Bob! So how did this litter turn out? How old are they? What do you like an dislike about them? Any photos?
Debby

At best...Breeding is a "Crap Shoot"...You just do it with as much knowledge as possible...Even if you do a repeat breeding...It can turn out totally different then the first breeding...
It's what's fun about it and what makes you pull your hair out...It can be agonizing and a real pleasure...

If you do your homework you can limit (to a point) the faults...but it seems there's always something that throws you a curve...

It seems the people that study bloodlines know the more you learn the more you understand that you don't know...Here in the U.S. we haven't had Good bloodlines in our country for that long...not long compared to say Germany...But we can learn from others and what works and what doesn't...But we still don't have the "Hands On" that they do in other countries...
There are many facets to breeding... The best thing is for people to discuss openly what each has learned...

~Bob~

This is Cruise from the 2 X 4 on Troll. The litter is in working homes 3 have there Bh,s and working for the 1 and 4 are training in Search and rescue. There just 2 years old on the 4th of April. My female Holly is from one of Q mans breedings. I kept Cruise for myself to work and replace his father Axel who will be 13 in 2 months. Things I like, there all very
strong good bone and showing excellent drives for the work. There very approachable and social. Hips and Elbows are checking out good and no health issues to date. Dislikes There all a little more independent then there parents as with alot of Troll line breedings there is some size differences. I,ve gotten back some input of some challenging issues from a couple of the handlers They tend to push the envelope if given free rein.    I,m doing a 2nd breeding this summer.

My female Bo von der Staatsmacht is linebred 2-3 on Orla von der Schiffslache. That is as close as the SV will allow, I believe.

I have make a 2-1 line breeding in germany under the sv. i know it have turns well out.4 out of 5 are titled and healthy. Ultra is with me and is the perfect product out of the line breeding, in my mind.
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qFBaK2C5cA

she had now 3 litters,the first one with Terror ,again a line breeding on my females,i have Dora out of that litter,for me also more than good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85nw-WD3Bqk

I will do in near future a line breeding 1-1, in working animal breed it is be done since ever. 

A 1-1 as in a dog to itself?  I know some people you could teach that to, ha ha.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/breeding.result?father=522522&mother=728874
This is a 1-2 I recently conducted, all pups fabulous and healthy.  I may do a repeat later, but considering a different 1-2 breeding first.

what is the reason to be scared to do it??if you see bad things in your dogs or line why breed with these dogs at all? if you have a litter with 5 dogs, 1is bad,2 are good to work and 1 more than good and one over the top. than you have a good litter.do you not wonder that you see different kennel names again and again and people talk about these kennels.the gsd breed is so big and world wide but  alot of kennel names never show up!!!!WHY??make your own mind about that.

for example. Kennel Hessenstein, you hear from dogs again and again.WHY?does he breed so many dogs or does he have success?? find out

this kennel is only one example for good breeding quality.would i do a tide linebreeding of one of his top breeding females?for sure!!why??there is proof of success.