People are screwing the breed! Zara von der Zenteiche VA with ruined hips? - Page 6

would love to here Mr. Lanting's views on this subject.

hear, not here,lol

Fred Lanting is following all the interesting threads allright.
But he won't bother to step in. And I understand and respect that.
He is relying on good relations with top breeders for his yearly tours, so he cannot offend them.
Not as long as he is touring, that is!
I hope he will be touring and visiting top breeders for many more years (collecting information!), but once he stops travelling, I hope he will leave us with his Memoires, and in them, confirm all the kinds of cheating we have learned about listening in everywhere. I would be honoured to receive one of the first copies.

Now he is very much aware of my thesises, and on occasions, off the record, has confirmed my statements.
He knows the Breed Value System doesn't work, at least not to a degree that it would help the breed,
and he is very much aware of the different kinds of fraud (mentioned earlier in this thread).

I would enjoy his comments also, particularly on this thread,
as he especially is aware of the fact, that a MITTLERE HD cannot EVER change into a FREI, in the course of a few months only. It doesn't happen!!

I am very disappointed Fred still mentions breed value numbers in his impressions, although he knows the young dogs don't have any value yet, in most cases their (young) fathers don't even have a (proper) "breed value" yet, as they haven't "produced" sufficient offspring to make any kind of correct judgement. Knowing that so many diagnoses are not sent in (a fact which has been time and time again proven by many people / breeders themselves on the German discussion boards - "Why should we send in the bad results, it only costs money, and doesn't help a thing when all the others don't send them in! And it will do damage to my sales and reputation!"), one cannot ever defend the numbers, so why mention them anyway?

If, amongst others, Videx is pursuing this thread so very closely, it is because he hurts. He hurts when people are seeing through the whole corrupt system of this showbusiness, being solely about the money.
The health of the dog doesn't matter here.
This is about connections, promotion, fraud, corruption, bribery, etc. (See "Hammer Protokoll" and "Pflegefall Schäferhund"-documentary - links on my weblog)
Watch Pedigree Dogs Exposed again.
By the way, there is a German speaking version of it now! Check my blog!

Next comment of the opposition should sound more or less like this: Don't feed the troll!

If anyone wants Fred's views, I just did an interview with him for GSDWorld.net.

He is a scientist, an author, a lover of the GSD for decades. He does not participate in such as this because he considers it a waste of time that he can devote to other matters.

He has had great influence, on me at least, to realize that my direction in the Am. s/l was wrong. And he never one time told me I was wrong, he just presented what he felt was right.

It is strange to me, that every German dog I consider to buy, to breed to, I present to him first and the first advice is that the ZW must be good.

It is also strange to me that a man who has stood for health and character of the GSD first, at great expense to his AKC career, is now accused of bending to anyone. I do not say this because I hear it, I was there to witness it.

When he did not agree with the Am. s/l, he did not waste his time telling others what is wrong. He invested his own time and finances to travel to Germany to become an SV judge, so that he might present his idea to the world what is right. Not every little detail one can dig up as to what is wrong.

Fred is well able to speak for himself, I do not presume to do so. Just present my opinion from decades of knowing him first hand.

So jantie, I will say this. At first, I read your information with interest, as time went on, I began to wonder why this person only speaks of what is wrong, not presenting what is right or a dog to show the world what is correct. Now I consider you just another foolish person. Secure in their mind that only they hold the keys to the kingdom.

You offer much advice, so I will offer you this. You wish to be a voice in the GSD world. Then spend some time building your own mouse trap. Present it to the world to judge at the end of a leash. Not at the end of a key board. If you are correct, then widen the path to your door. The world will notice.

Windy

The fanclub is trying to shoot the pianist again and divert the attention from the subject.
But, as usual, this doesn’t alter anything to the mentioned facts.
Let’s come to a conclusion here:

1) We are willing to pay all the expenses occurring when bringing Zara von der Zenteiche to a neutral university clinic to have her identified and X-rayed again and screened by international HD/ED-experts.
2) We wish to add a quote from Dr. Bodo Schaefer: “Wenn this female has been x-rayed with the outcome of a “normal hip” (normale Hüfte), then another female must have taken her place.” Apparently this female was just good enough not to put her down on the spot.
3) No Vet (=scientist) in the world would ever write to the SV and challenge the biggest canine organization (and putting his reputation on the line), if he weren’t convinced of his diagnose/findings. (His original letter is on my weblog - the response from the SV will be published later.)
4) When Mister Christoph Ludwig has a clear conscience, and continues to claim the hips are immaculate, then he should be more than willing, without further ado, to publish the images (first X-rays) of Dr. Bodo Schäfer (he has in his posession) on the Internet to share them with the GSD-community.

Always at your disposal for any questions you might have.

>>I have the letter of the Dr. Vet. Bodo Schäfer from 56626 Andernach in my posession. He took the initiative to write to the SV, and make a statement, pointing out that a "mittlere HD"-result (from VA 8 Zara von der Zenteiche) could never magically transfer into the HD-result: NORMAL!!<<

Jantie, you really must be brain dead. YOU are the person who posted the above. YOU are the person who says he has this letter in your 'possession'. YOU are the person who refuses to disclose this so called 'proof'. The owner of Zara von der Zenteiche has nothing to prove to you. YOU are the person making allegations which, so far as anyone can make out, are totally unsubstantiated and defamatory. Either put up or shut up.

Can't help it if you can't read English Peterlee.

Everything is in place.

Sorry if you can't follow up on the thread and the messages.

BTW! Have you found the sv-constitution yet? (Evil grin!)

Oh, how sad.

You start off a post by saying

>>I have the letter of the Dr. Vet. Bodo Schäfer from 56626 Andernach in my posession.<<

but you refuse to produce it.

You say,

>>The whole story soon!!<<

but no story has ever been forthcoming. In short, you produce no evidence but you make unsubstantiated and defamatory accusations.

As Dog1 said, 'Thanks for another post of accusations with no information to back it up. We all await your whole story, probably second hand from someone who bought a puppy from a friend of the breeders vet's sister in law. Please include how the ZW system is manipulated too.'

If, as you say, you have this letter in your 'possession' then show it to us to see what it says (if it exists or says what you say it says). You have produced no proof even though you have had the opportunity to do so. Others will no doubt draw the same conclusion that I have - namely that nothing you say can be relied upon. Unlike you most other people work on the basis that people are presumed innocent until proven guilty. You have produced no evidence to back up your assertions and so it must be assumed that you have no such evidence.