Milo's Necropsy Report - Page 6

Ok, the first para. wasn't there when I came back, SS. So, the reason I asked you to clarify was because of the mention of Ursus specifically. Yes, there definitely is a saturation point which has been reached over and over again.

For Keith: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hardihood 

I probably should have said 'hardiness', which is a more commonly used term.

Joanro, I own an Ursus grand-daughter, and personally think Ursus was a great dog. The only problem is he's over-used. When people start advertiising their puppies as being "Ursus free", you know you've got a problem! And a few years ago, ads for Ursus-free pups were fairly common.

"For Keith: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hardihood 

I probably should have said 'hardiness', which is a more commonly used term."

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/hybrid+vigor

"Ursus free" ... Same thing happened in Smooth Fox Terriers 25 years ago with Australian dog Tarb the Brat. He was a GREAT dog himself, but when he came to the US, the breed was so completely saturated with him, that it became virtually impossible to find any here without. The temperament of those dogs so heavily compounded on The Brat were hard to live with.. He truly changed the breed in this country. One time in a pedigree was great, but not over and over again.

Condolences, how sad, I saw the pictures you posted of them in April, and they both seemed to look GREAT, healthy, and happy...good luck

Sunsilver, you'll get no argument from me that 3-3 is walking the risk line closer than I prefer to see, although there's no denying that the linebreeding of the bitch being discussed is not atypical of what's been the trend in the showlines in recent years.  There's also no denying that if you want to chase the genetic 'cockroaches' within a line into the light, doing a 3-3 or tighter pairing ought to get you what you're looking for...but IMO, if that's what a breeder is seeking to do, it's best done by keeping all the resulting offspring, or at least only placing those pups in homes that fully understand the risks inherent in a close breeding.

As has been said many times in this thread, no matter how you view it, this has just been a sad and shocking experience for all of the parties involved. 

Mcap, I think it's safe to say that everybody posting on this thread are strongly hoping that Rocco's cardiac exam returns normal results, and you're able to strike *that* worry from your family members' minds and hearts...

Would small claims court be an avenue for you?  i would at least try.

At 5 1/2 months my GSD puppy survided a heart operation.
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Linebreeding - 5 generations

• 5 - 4,4........................................... in VA1 Ulk von Arlett
• 5,5 - 5........................................... in VA1 Zamb von der Wienerau
• 4 - 4,5........................................... in V Gorbi von der Wienerau
• 5 - 5............................................. in V22 Ninja von der Wienerau
• 4 - 4,5........................................... in V59(BSZS 1992) Warinka von der Wienerau
• 5 - 5............................................. in V Tala vom Kirschental
• 5 - 5............................................. in V Xeno von der Wienerau
• 3 - 3............................................. in V2 (BSZS) Ultri von der Wienerau

See Pedigree above! September 2011 at 5 1/2 months old (picture won't upload ), this puppy had to be sliced one end to the other due to a heart condition, he could have dropped dead in a minute!  Some breeder rolled the dice and lost on this sweet, adorable ANGEL! The breeder sold the dog with a heart condition, I bought the dog not knowing from a second party, and a local Vet here in my town performed a miracle!!! Today,  he is Super Dog but I wish breeders would do their home work and not breed unless they are confident in what they are doing.  It seems when those titles are awarded,  the checks fly and nothing else matters.  I will always look for the Mom and Pop GSD breeders that are not involved in the political arena in search of a GSD puppy.
I am so sad for you Mike, PRAYERS to you!