Why can North American GSD breeders never seem to breed world class dogs?? - Page 6

A very good point Duke1965 about GSD breeding and bloodlines never being of much interest for seminars.  Another point is that the owner of Kreative Kennels in California was a success in breeding dairy cattle before dogs so there are parallels in other animal breeding programs.  Kreative still imports most of their dogs but they are starting to use some of their 1st generation females in their breeding program.  Of course some other breeds such as the Italian Greyhound are bred by large kennels in-house for racing.  Hans .. I am not aware of any GSD from the USA being imported back to European breeders other than for relay breeding and coming back to the USA as bred females.  Are any N American dogs getting imported to Europe to use in their breeding programs as permanent members of the kennel??  Surely if N American breeders were producing great dogs someone in Europe would import them especially when there have been times that the dollar was weak against the Euro??

I would consult with Gustav if you are trying to find the best mate for your bitch. Gustav is probably the most knowledgeable person here when it comes to bloodlines and matches. Just my opinion but if I was looking to breed That's where I would go for advice. Saying that I have no idea if he/she is in the USA Europe or Guatemala. 

Italian Greyhounds... racing? Really?

Bob:    " Thats the problem in a nut shell "Choice" What was the GSD created for? to Work, am I wrong ?. To be judged  a working dog to breed they created a test, As time passed dogs were bred that could not pass the test so instead of breeding stronger mental, physical dogs they lowered the test requirements am I wrong?  All under the watchful eye of the founding breed state am I wrong? Now the definition of "Work" is nothing but "sport".    "

Personal answer to Bob: I´m neither naive nor retarded, I absolutely know what´s going on in " the world of the German Shepherd "....
We are talking about the US right now, and I am talking about all the Americans that aren´t even able or willing to pass " the lowered requirements ", doesn´t make sense, does it ????
If training and titling is THAT EASY, why don´t people do it?

There are always excuses:

• Lack of time
• Lack of money
• Not necessary
• No club

In reality people are neither interested in training nor willing to learn anything about this wonderful breed,

As I said before, once again for all of you : THERE ARE GREAT DOGS IN THE UNITED STATES, TRAIN, TITLE, AND SHOW THEM!

Susie:

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"In reality people are neither interested in training nor willing to learn anything about this wonderful breed,"

Your so wrong about that it,s astounding!

You really think so?

How much percent of the American breeders do care about health, temperament or standard?
If I´m right, the German Shepherd and the Golden Retriever are the most sold breeds within the United States.
Some weeks ago I asked on this forum how many members there are within the US sport and breed clubs - the answer was depressing, compared to the total amount of German Shepherds...

I do have a handful of wonderful American friends, training and titling their dogs, I have been visiting the States on a regular basis from 1987 to 2007, I´d be glad if you proof me wrong!

Bob and Blitzen,
The "They are better" sentence was put in quotes to illustrate a point that is too rampant in this country.
This is not what I believe personally.
I believe we have great dogs here in the U.S.

As to the point of the breeding seminars. You are all correct. We do not have enough or any of these in the U.S.
The last breeding seminar I remember hearing about was Carmen Battaglia going to the Hunt Corp to teach puppy mills how to produce more puppies.
This is a failure of all of the organizations. The national breed clubs, the akc, etc.
UScA has regional breed wardens and a national breed warden. I wish the people in those positions took their designations more seriously.
It isn't (or shouldn't be) an honorary position. If this was set up properly these should be some of the most important people in any breed club/organization.

(BubbaBooBoo, Thanks for starting this thread. It is an excellent topic.)

Actually I think the Labrador retriever is most popular according to the AKC numbers ..the beagle and golden retriever have swapped third back and forth the last few years

Here are the AKC’s top 25 U.S. breeds for 2012:

1. Labrador Retriever
2. German Shepherd Dog 
3. Golden Retriever
4. Beagle
5. Bulldog
6. Yorkshire Terrier
7. Boxer
8. Poodle
9. Rottweiler
10. Dachshund
11. Shih Tzu
12. Doberman Pinscher
13. Miniature Schnauzer
14. French Bulldog
15. German Shorthaired Pointer
16. Siberian Husky
17. Great Dane
18. Chihuahua
19. Pomeranian
20. Cavalier King Charles Spaniel
21. Shetland Sheepdog
22. Australian Shepherd
23. Boston Terrier
24. Permbroke Welsh Corgi
25. Maltese

Good reading thanks! Are there any numbers for which country has the most working german shepherds? I am unable to find that number. Would it be safe to say the US. Would it also be safe to say that most of them by majority are American breed.  If so, is it short sited to ignore the obvious and disregard the actual working dogs in your claim that world class dogs are seldom if ever from the US. 

If its a trophy and a title thing, then the argument perhaps has merit. If the breed is a working breed and more working dogs are employed here than anywhere else and are in fact, from breedings, from here, then it would seem your opinion is flawed. Again I cant find the numbers. If so, then, that boils it down to me as, titles and sport are the goal, and not work and utility. The same ole argument just with a twist. 

I'm sure there are plenty of scout, guide dogs, scent detection, cadaver, explosive, sar & k9 handlers etc... that would read this thread and go uh huh lets see your world class dog do this everyday. Not poo pooing sport and titles just not forgetting the paw's on the street.

World class..... tomato.. tamato.





 

What Defines" World Class"?