Finally....puppy pictures Aria/Filius - Page 6

Here is a 1 year old blue and red WGSL (nephew of my WGSL dog)


 

Wow, great bucket candidate.  LOL  Pretty boy. 

Hey, I was hoping you'd chime in here, and even better yet, post pics! I guess if I'd used Nikon, we still could be having the same conversation? Have you tested him for blue? 

Thanks for posting those; they will no doubt help me when trying to show people what they may look like. 

BahCan: As described previously, half the pups are normal (statistically), ie they are not carriers of the blue recessive gene, one-fourth are carriers of the blue gene, but appear normal, and another one-fourth are blues. One gets blues by mating 2 carriers who appear normal (usually accidentally).

I hadn't, maybe I should?  His full sister threw one blue (in two litters, I think?).  How do you test for it?  I've never had anyone ask about blue, but I have had people ask about coats.  So far he hasn't thrown a blue or a coat, but I would not be surprised if he carried for coats since they are SO common in WGSL and he does have coated siblings. 

I'll see if I can find newer/better pictures of the blue...

Does anyone know anybody who's used the previously mentioned DNA test? I'd be curious to ascertain accuracy, since several will be going as breeding prospects based on current interest list, I think it'd be wise to know going in, whether they carried blue or not. 

He certainly could carry either, I guess. They don't seem to work out in those neat, tidy Punnett squares all the time. Heck, I was told Boy didn't carry for coats...and he'd never produced one, ever, until the litter with Capri. They weren't lying...they just hadn't had it happen and assumed he didn't carry, because, you'd think he'd have thrown one by now with the number of pups, but again, genes are funny things! 

I'd love to see more pics of that boy- at least he's a well-bred dog from verifiable lines, not these faulty-coated longhaired American dogs that are all I can find as far as pics online. I hate to even show people those because I just don't see an Aria/Filius pup looking like THAT no matter what color!

VKGSDs that is the Best two Blue/Red GSD Images I have seen of an adultish GSD so far. I have a small collection of different colors in various breeds spotted on pedigreedatabase, we actually need people to add some nicely stacked and conformed GSD dilutes. We have plenty of coats, but I would say the dilutes are more rare. Thank you for posting those. I have no doubt the blues in this litter will look beautiful as adults too, and I am really looking forward to updates.

Jenni the test by cheek swab can't be done on nursing pups, the dam's DNA will contaminate the sample. You will have to ask the lab/s specifically for their particular instructions. More than one Lab is testing to my knowledge, and why not try and get a deal on several health / color tests. You could test the grandmother. What if both Ron and the dam carried d? then who's "d"  did your female Inherit?

Most people who show and work/trial want a dog that can pass a KKL or get a good show rating, even in AKC/CKC they want a dog that can make CH. and for many decades now the blues, livers, white and coats could not. Some have posted UKC titles on dilute GSDs here on Pedigree Database. I have no idea if they are true and would love to know. There used to be Blue AKC Champions, I am not sure about Liver.
Here were some Blue CHs
​1. 1960s CH (US) Hoobin's Gray Boy 
1. 1940s-50s CH Gernda's Ludwig

There exist list/s of carriers online & in Books like Willis, but they are hard to follow, and people only talk about carriers from decades past. We actually need current and friendly lists where you can ask and disclose what a dog carries without anyone getting feelings bent out of shape.
http://www.angelfire.com/wi/birkenbaum/blueliverwclistupdated.html

Life is strange, another German Breed, the Weimeraner is against the darker pigmented dogs, and the dog on the right side is a fault. Many of the breeds are about predictability, and uniformity, knowing for sure the size/shape/color/and temperament you will get.

Weimeraner's are Double Dilutes, the lighter dog is both Blue (dd) and Liver (bb) but the Blue gray darker dog has at least one normal copy of the B gene on B Locus (Bb or BB)
http://www.blueweimaranertoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/grey_and_blue540.jpg
http://www.blueweimaranertoday.com/articles/genetic-study-of-blue-weimaraners/

"Blue Weimaraners as we know them today in the United States can be traced back to one dog, Cäsar von Gaiberg (“Tell”), imported from Germany in 1949. His arrival sparked immediate controversy over his dark coat color even though the 1944 Standard, obviously written prior to Tell’s arrival to America, specifically includes the Blue color in the “General Appearance” description: “Color Gray (Silver, Bright, Dark, Yellow); the Dark Gray may be either ash or blue.
http://www.blueweimaraner.com/history.html
Without any dilute, the Weimaraners are Black, those also get disqualified.

Most breeds carry Blue, Pitt Bull/ Great Dane / Bearded Collie.

When you are breeding to keep and show/trial a dog, it would be good to know what a female carries and get a male that does not carry for the same fault/s. Especially if you are adding shipping and stud fee costs to get the very best male you can think of for her and your next generation.

If you want to see more photos of Nikon's blue nephew, go to this blog and do a search for "Ronnie".  http://24kgsd.com/blog/

I would post more but I don't want people saving and then uploading/sharing these photos without the breeder or owner's consent (the photos I posted earlier are hotlinked from the blog so please do not upload them anywhere else without the owner's consent).

Dutch's pedigree
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/breeding.result?father=479287&mother=698704
 

Shit, this is getting deep.  On VKGSD's example of "Blue" WGSL related to her WGSL;  why is he/she called a blue.  I cannot see it in the photo.  Sorry.  Please explain.  Thx  Nan

I didn't have a clue that color was such a big deal in this breed. I'm astounded.......