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by yoshy on 08 January 2010 - 23:01
If you want a big dog go get a an african borbel, or a large breed dog if thats how you feel. dont screw up the gsd and or advertise oversize gsd's like they are the best thing since slice bread. They simply will not keep up with more sound breed standard GSD's.
Ive taken hits personally from 160lb borbels, birmese mountain dogs, saint benards, dobbies, mali's, sheps, giant schnauzers and other various breeds. the only two that took me down( when it wasnt the game plan) was a 80lb mali and an 85 lb shep. both of which have intent and are great dogs. So you keep you weight. Il keep my speed and attitude any day of the week.
Im neither big or bad. Im also not a large guy but ive been a decoy for a few years now and size means little to nothing compared to the dog that bring the fight. The dogs that possess the rocket speed and has the midset ready for a fight are the ones that put you down not the big slow lugs.
by Shtal on 08 January 2010 - 23:01
They have a good chance to bring human down just as 85 pound GSD as you claim better then Giant GSD, such as Eastern European lines Shepherd.
Thanks!
by yoshy on 09 January 2010 - 00:01
Wolves are completely different than GSD's. They are not the same animal. They are engineered by nature for the pure purpose of survival and hunting and taking down large game or scavenging. The gsd simply will not compete with a grey wolf which can exceed 200lbs.
Since you bring up wolves. a few things.
Who is the lead hunter? wrong it is the most intelligent hunter.
Who is the alpha? The one who carry's the attitude.
Which is deadlier male of female? female defending pups
It has everything to do with brains and attitude over the dogs/ wolves size (within reason).
You simply cannot show an added benefit of a larger gsd. but we have agreed on there are many faults to these types of dogs. speed, agility, durability, endurance/stamina, amount of upkeep with food, and break down faster than his healthy countypart the breed standard size gsd and we can keep going if you wish.
And as for your reason of taking a man down. if it is so important to be larger then why dont you think the czechs, germans, americans, and all other countries havent utilized larger dogs for that purpose in there respective police agency's and military. Yet the go to mali's and standard size shepherds for all duties.
by yoshy on 09 January 2010 - 00:01
tell if your large dogs will complete this tasks as well as these dogs? Malis and a shepherd.
This is why they dont use big slow dogs who have no benefit!
by Shtal on 09 January 2010 - 00:01
Correct!.
The best GSD will never win against wolves, Agility and speed of GSD not strong enough against wolves.
Let me ask you a question?
Who has a better chance to survive in the fight against a wolf? a standard size GSD or Large Eastern European lines German Shepherds.
If you live in the place where wolves come near people, who will protect better against wolves? 85 pound GSD or properly train 120 pound GSD?
The reason I ask, I honestly going to live soon in the area where I need better protection from GSD. What size will serve me better between GSD's.
Because right now I have standard size working line 80 pound GSD and giant size over 100 pound GSD.
I need a logic answer from you!
by yoshy on 09 January 2010 - 00:01
I live with coyotes not wolfs. but i have traveled frequently in yellowstone and teaton nation parks. Frankly the likelyhood of crossing a single wold is near zero unless a ranging young male. However I would prefer a different breed to fend off wolves. I mentioned african borbel's. I would probably go with them as they were bred to fend off african predators and protect villages. But quite honestly neither shepherd would stand a significant chance even if the GSD had an advantage in terrain or suprise. Personally I would rather have my 92lb male (passed away) over any other shepherd i have met. He had the attitude with no back down no matter the pressure. We simulated every scenario possible and he had the genetic disposition to fight anything and everything when told and was un supressable. He was a rescue so i dont know his lineage and was my entry dog into the shepherd world. He was not a dog that we went through confidence building into his defense or had to follow the standard rule of protection with. He naturally possessed his dominance, confidence, and aggression. to the point his protection work was only to channel it away from everything else. I would take him over any 120lb shep any day of the week. Now with that said my 19 month old 85lb boy should top around 90. He will be my family protector when my current alpha dies. I will have no worries. no matter the threat.
It is all in the mental aspect of the dog. not his weight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Jackal73 on 09 January 2010 - 01:01
Actually you're wrong about that one too Shtal. I live in an area with both wolves and coyotes. Wolves won't take on most medium to large domestic dogs provided the dog is loose and not elderly or ill. Certainly not one on one. The wolf will always run away instead of trying to fight unless they're in a pack -- and even then if a dog is defending his or her territory and stands their ground they have the psychological high ground and will run off the predators. I've known retrievers and similarly non-aggressive breeds to run wolves off people's property, and we have plenty of wolves here.
There are cases of wolves killing and eating dogs, but in that case it's a pack of wolves and they get one dog alone. No dog would stand a chance against that. Your premise is inherently flawed.
by VomRuiz on 09 January 2010 - 01:01
Why do you always turn this topic in to dog fighting? Schutzhund has nothing, absolutely NOTHING to do with dog fighting.
You aren't training for Schutzhund so apparently you must be more interested in dog fighting. Shame on you
Stacy
by yoshy on 09 January 2010 - 01:01
very good point jackel!
by VomRuiz on 09 January 2010 - 01:01
There are other ways to deter wolves.
Stacy
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