Finally....puppy pictures Aria/Filius - Page 7

Nan, as adults, it deepens (in most...poor pigment/color is going to be just that in any shade! And there are what they call "powder blues" but I digress) into a very dark, charcoal-like gray. In some dogs, it's only apparent when a "regular" colored dog w/black is standing right next to them. The eyes are typically the obvious "give away," as they're typically very light, yellowish. Someone described them as dusty- they look instead of shiny black, like a black dog with a light coating of dust on them. 

Blitzen, if only I had the desire to find/post all the quotes where the die-hards WL folks say they don't care if the dog is purple if it's a good dog...........LOL. I've said the same myself...I guess I stupidly ASSumed that others who say that meant it, too.
 
NOTE- I'm talking about overall reaction, not just this thread, so please don't any one person take offense to anything said. 

VK, no worries- I will only use them to show folks what their dog MIGHT look like, and I will only show them on my computer, in my home.

Lineage, it's possible that Capri carries blue, but not probable, imho. She's had a good amount of pups with 4 different sires- all standard. Now, the Ron vom Ludwigseck breeding has had not one, but 2 girls who have given birth to blues, so that tells me that they're carrying one dilute recessive from Ron and that's why none of THEM were blue (there are 9 of them, 7 girls, 2 boys), but they have had blue pups when the other parent was a carrier as well. I don't know that testing 'Pri at this point is much use, and there's no point in testing Aria of course, LOL, but I think I'll wait a few weeks and test these pups to see who of the "normal" ones is carrying, just for knowledge. Am I missing something in my logic?

 I may co-own one or more and if we're putting money into them on titling and breed surveys and show ratings, I want to know as much as I can about what's lurking in the shadows. I will not, however, choose a lesser pup for breeding based on the results alone, ie, if the best pup, the one that screams Pick of the Litter, happens to be a carrier, so be it...we'll just use that as one more bit of knowledge when it comes to compatibility for breeding. 

 

Me, I am totally, "Green with Envy" over this litter jenn got!!!
I myself knew that the total outcross does produce blues, because that is where mine used to come from...
Very similar pedigrees. Some of my pups stayed Blue as adults, most went to almost solid black.
I am BIG TIME into crossing nice working line with great showline.
I have been doing it for years, and am VERY happy with what I get.
I am into third/fourth generations of MY lines,
And as far as coats from Ron, he is my girls lines, and I get plenty of LSC pups.
Absolutely beautiful dogs.
It will be great to watch these pups grow!!
Once again, blue pups out of successful lines.
I LOVE IT.....
You do NOT have to be a SB tto get that color.
No matter how much some people deny having them, they are there!
Maybe more will dump the ';ucket Brigade' logic and accept these dogs for what they are, Well Bred useful, German Shepherds...
Lucky dog,jenn,lol

Nans, I will find the birth picture and you'll see..... it's most obvious at birth (especially next to the black and red puppies).  The blue ones look silver at birth.  As they mature, the black pigment is diluted "blue" (gray) and their eyes remain lighter.  Sometimes as adults it's harder to see unless they are standing next to a "normal" black-and-whatever GSD.

See, I always figured Ron didn't carry for coats, because Capri ALWAYS throws coats when bred to a dog that carries LSC, even if the stud owner doesn't realize he does, lol. There were 9 Ron pups, zero coats. Zero coats out of those pups' pups, either. Yet, in a litter of 3 and a litter of 4, I've had 3 coats. Of course, this is not an exact science and it's possible, but I cannot believe that in a litter of 9, when she produces 1/2 coated pups even in tiny litters, that no coated pups occurred if Ron carried it?

Joni, are you SURE that the coats are coming FROM RON in your peds?

I appreciate your kind words, Joni. I am certainly not going to start selling blues by the bushel on all the pet classifieds, but it's nice to have these pups at least accepted for what they are- likely very nice GSD puppies who don't meet the standard. 

~~Blitzen, if only I had the desire to find/post all the quotes where the die-hards WL folks say they don't care if the dog is purple if it's a good dog...........LOL. I've said the same myself...I guess I stupidly ASSumed that others who say that meant it, too.

Uh, yeah, that was my understanding too. One of the main criticisms of the show line breeders - they care too much about color.

I wouldn't hesitate at all to take one of your blues Jen, and attempt to title it in SchH (or herding or whatever). I know you breed excellent dogs that match what I like... I wouldn't care if you gave me a green one with purple polka dots and only 3 legs. It'd still be one hell of a dog! If only I was ready for another...

Ask Granny to take another road trip!  She won't be able to resist! I'd co-own/foster a blue with you.  I'd love to see one herding AND doing IPO- let's test my versatility theory! There are some scattered Kirschental dogs in there. Maybe that blood'll rise to the top, lol. 

Blitzen, it IS a bit curious, no, how the tables seem to be turning? 

Someone forgot to tell these pups that they're not just pups of a different color. It was hilarious an hour or so ago- I fed them their second meal and naturally they made a HUGE mess. They smeared it everywhere. Mayhem finally jumped in there to clean it up after having been very patient letting them eat it all (her food drive is off the charts, so this was a lot of self-restraint for her). Aria was confined in the bedroom or she'd have ripped Mayhem's throat out for that. Anyway, Mayhem jumps in (very carefully, I must say) and they all started to rush at her, thinking she was Aria, then came to a screeching halt and did their best to ward off this intruder with their scariest growls and barks, standing in a row. She was unimpressed, so they decided to just go with it and see if she had any milk. The 2 blue boys were the instigators. Black and red fuzzy boy just yawned and continued to look for scraps that may have been left behind. The blue female is ROUGH on her siblings. For a week now, she's been latching onto their necks and ears and shaking them violently. She reminds me of Cierny and Cierny's poor brothers. I'm starting to really enjoy them. 3 weeks is such a huge week, developmentally. 

What Dawulf said ^^. Beating some folks at IPO with a dog they don't think is breed worthy would give me great pleasure.

Beautiful litter. Congratulations. I wish them all the greatest of success.

      I was just sent this pic of this litter of Blue pups that was recently born.(NOT my dogs, BUT I DO KNOW this woman does ALL the health screenings on her dogs, PRIOR to breeding).
     The blue gene is in so many breeds, while NOT accetable colors, it is still there.
    When I bred Dobermans, I bought normal colors and was shocked to get blue Dobies, years later, blue Shepherds, AND, I paid good money for Show Quality Breeding pair of Yorkies, and you guessed it, Blue Yorkies.
     I really hope Jenns litter can be used as an educational tool in our chosen breed. I myself look so forward to seeing how and what these pups grow into.
      The mother is certainly one Beautiful dog!!!!!
Jenn, I just went thru my dogs pedigrees, and to answer your question, NO, I cannot say with ANY type of certainty that Ron has anything to do with the coats in my dogs pups.
as so many know, there are so many genes and dogs floating around in the makeup of every dog, to point at any one, and say this dog is the cause, is beyond my realm of knowledge

I wish I wish I wish!


Wouldn't it be fun, Maxleia? :)