Where are Old style lines in America still available? - Page 7

Does anyone know anything about those Rin Tin Tin bred dogs?

 

Real man German Shepherds.. oh wow you went there he man neanderthal grunt grunt.. that smack of a man's need for  fast sports car...Im all woman so my wickedly fast car I drive these days is just because I love driving it, not an extension.....I used to LOVE showing up real man dogs and handlers in the pd depts that thought they could do search and rescue lmao wink wink....Only if they wanted the poor kid bitten on the find omg really.. ... my dogs work and they are gsds ...... My dog will real bite, if and when needed and does not need to be a lunatic to do it when doing other jobs, He is a gsd, which was meant to be a utility dog for many jobs not just to retrive dumbells and jump walls and bite. He is the one holding dumbell in avatar.... he can do it and loves to do it, because it is what I asked of him and he is a working dog.  he keeps me out of a coma, keeps me on my feet, gets help for me.....Plays with all the neighborhood kids and is safe to allow him to play with babies and strangers.... Gasp.... he is even a show line!!!! Bred here in America, but yes from German lines and a little other sort of special lines thrown in to! 


It truly makes sense to use a mal in some places, but ya know when that mal jumped the poor ten year old girl in the dc airport on duty and bit her... I bet her parents wished he didnt have your real man's dog..............

omg no rin tin tin gsds!!! 
 

A friend of mine has the current designated Rin Tin Tin. I know: how weird is that? Anyway, he's a nice middle of the road dog that is doing well in agility, does public appearances around the country where he does tricks and meet and greets with crowds of people, does therapy work with him at the prison, and makes a very nice pet.

She had two more dogs from that breeder for about a year before the breeder went nuts and demanded those two back - this is why you should always own your dogs outright - and then cut off ties with my friend. She still has the older dog. The two younger dogs were very unimpressive and looked like classic BYB dogs. The breeder is dying, so no idea what is going to happen with the so called Rin Tin Tin line.

Smiley that's a can of worms. A lady named Daphne Hereford kept the line going, and had a website that gave the whole history. Unfortunately, she passed away recently, and the website is gone.

She had a dog that, from what I understand, was not directly related to the original Rin Tin Tin, but was descended from one of Lee Duncan's dogs (Rinty's owner.) She kept the line going with linebreeding, outcrossing when necessary to prevent too much inbreeding. The dogs do not look like modern GSDs, nor do they resemble the original dog. They could not make it in the AKC show ring, but have been used in performance events such as tracking, agility, obedience, etc. Some of the lines were used as police and security dogs, but that was long ago.

You can arrange to get a pup from these lines, but they are very expensive, and you will have to neuter or spay it.

There's more to the story, but I don't have time to do the research. There were may lawsuits over the years as to who had control of the Rin Tin Tin name, and who actually had the dogs that were direct descendants. It's really pretty complicated.

And, honestly? I don't think the dogs are really anything special.

awww some editing has been done on posts in this thread..... now I lost track of the real mans gsd post...... why did you remove it?
 

Read the book on Rin Tin Tin. It is a very well done narritive on the icon GermanShepherd dog. It begins in World War I ravaged France and moves to the silent movie days and then into our early TV shows of the 1950s and 60s. It is also instructive to the current GSD world. Lee Duncan basicly had one good GSD in his life, the orginal "Rinny''. He never really understood why this dog was as trainable as it was. He never understood why this dog was so giving to his handler. He bred the dog and lost, more and more, of the essence of his movie Icon in each generation. At some point he lost fertility on his sire line and Rin tin tin is a lost blood line. What came to be was a fight over the ownership of the name and marketing rights of "Rin Tin Tin''. Lee Duncan never had an impact on the breed other than making the image popular. The current stewardship of the Icon is for profit only motivated. Sound familar? 

Ooops, apparently rumors of Daphne's death have been exaggerated. She is alive and well and posting on FB!    I knew her health had not been good and when I couldn't find her website anymore, I assumed the worst. Actually, there was one link I googled that said she had died. But what actually happened was she lost a court battle, and was forced to give up her 'ownership' of the Rin Tin Tin name.

Funny, a similar thing happened with the Hobo dogs regarding the temperaments and working ability. As Chuck tried to carry the lines forward from London, they became too soft and spooky. When he outcrossed to improve temperaments, all he got were ordinary German Shepherds, without the incredible intelligence of London and his sons.   He eventually stopped breeding, and the line is now lost.  He never revealed what the lines were, as he wanted to prevent people from making money on the Hobo name by breeding dozens and dozens of Hobo-line pups.

Given what happened to the collie when Lassie became popular, I think that was a wise move.

I saw the Hobo dogs perform live back in the 1970s, and they were unbelievable!

To give you just a snippet:

One day, Chuck left 4 of the dogs in his convertible, while he went into an office building to deal with some business. The car was easily visible from the office window, and he'd check every now and then to see how the boys were behaving.

A kid on a bike came along, and began teasing the dogs. Chuck immediately excused himself, and ran down the stairs to intervene. When he arrived at the car, all 4 dogs were sitting innocently just where he'd left them, and the boy on the bike was hightailing it down the street just as fast as he could pedal!

Chuck's obit: http://tomhawthorn.blogspot.ca/2010/12/chuck-eisenmann-trainer-of-littlest.html

Oh, thanks, guys! I'm sorry...I didn't know anything about the Rin Tin Tin dogs. But, I saw some ads in the Review that had peaked my curiousity!! I never saw Rin Tin Tin as that was way before my time. The best I got was reruns of Lassie!!! I didn't mean to open up a can of worms or anything!! 

I find it incredible telling that nobody has come on this thread and said I have a dog with American lines that does IPO or Police or Guide dogs for the blind. That is very disheartening. I did meet one service dog that is an ASL. He seemed calm and good at his job. Whether or not he could do IPO I do not know but he was unflappable in a  lot of high stress situtations which is kind of pretty important. So, if I had to rank them...not sure. A dog who can do IPO; a dog that can really do policework; a dog that must handle any weird life situation thrown at it as a pet; or a dog that must protect and service his disabled owner. Hmm. Maybe they are all equally valuable and all "valid" german shepherds. Or, maybe they should all be the same dog??  Maybe the problem is we have made the breed become specialists when they were supposed to be utilitarian and versatility by the very core of their existence??

Sarah
 

As for Guide/Service dogs. Is US Federal money (grants) set aside for the purchase/training of such dogs?
ASL titled in Sports / SchH1 - Lance of Fran-Jo / Covy-Tucker hill

SEL CH (US) DeAnnson's On Broadway

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Oh, wow!!! Very cool!!!! American x German cross Champions that were titled in ScH!!!! Thanks!!!