an immemorable show in india - Page 1

I was witness to the Kenel club show held on 12-12-04 at noida.i had read a lot about the india dog game scene but saw this drama with my own eyes which I hope has been witnessed by many more persons in the german shepherd dog ring. a indian judge named salvi in the german dog ring gave a male dog the best of breed award.when the best of breed award was announced to this dog and the handler was jubiliant with joy. The handler of another dog made a loud shout and said no the best of breed is ours.later i learned that his name was vikram.there was some gestures and discussion after which the best of breed was settled to theb person who has shouted louder and changed. the only person who was not amused was the ring steward who had the temerity to ask the judge the reason for this.he was immediately shown the door and another lady ring steward was appointed. is this the way dog shows are conducted and winners chosen.is it any use participate in such shows where a particular group of persons can make or mar the results.i was told that any dog that will be handled by these people from punjab will win under indian judges particularly because one of the persons is a kenel club member and a german shpeherd dog judge himself. it needs a person from the south to teach a lesson to them. It is a shame and no more a game.i will request the kenel club of india to appoint observers to oversee these type of things themselves so that these incidents are not perpetrated shamelessly.when somebody says that indian judges are up for sale it is of no use banning him it will not serve any purpose.it will be better if the club trys to salvage the batteered image of most indian judges.good luck.

Stronger and louder takes it all? Interesting, but shamefull.

disgusting,....no wonder people want to breakaway

Salvi...is he a GSD specialist now? He used to show a whippet when I was showing. He was also keen on Obedience. He was a provisional judge when I left. Was this a all breeds or a specialty? What you say saddens me to no end. This will only aid more people leaving the game. However, from outside the ring everything is not always clear. I was stewarding to an english judge some time ago. Winner of open class dachshunds was beaten by bred in india dog for BoB. However, before the announcement was made, the open class guy stood before the BoB board. Judge assumed it is the correct dog and announced him as winner. Bred in India guy protested and judge looked at the dogs and realized the mistake. the placings were switched. A lot of people later accused the judge of fixing the result. I was inside the ring and know that it was not the case. It was an honest mistake. I am not saying that salvi did not make a mistake. Just pointing out that somethings get misinterpreted.

gurgaon show was even better. There was shouting and screaming at the entrance only. No PA system. There were talks of dog fights between different breeds. All types of hooligan elements had come. It looked like a fish market total chaos and confusion while the organizers strutted around coolly

howdedo i wrote after knowing everything pretty well and not by guesswork.anyone who had seen the show will confirm to you.in fact the steward confessed to me and he was wondering why the owner of the losing dog did not take it up.perhaps he did not had the guts to challenge the mighty owners of the other dog that did not even perform.the change of ring steward was also very evident to everyone at that point.i have been told salvi is an allbreed judge.and lastly after the first show i could hear from everyone that the losing dog will win in the next ring as there was a foreign judge there and the losing dog was a far better performer.and this happened.i agree with nodyboy about the gurgaon show.i am now having second thoughts about going to these shows and taking my dogs there as i have purchased two very nice puppies for the purpose of showing them but it does not appeals to me any more.that is why i think the central club at chenai should discreetly observe these shows to assess the quality of judging at these shows so that the better dogs win and not the better owners.hooting,whistling is a common thing with these people which even a blind man could see but not these judges and show organisers.why should there be two set of rules for these people and others.why is it that people can rightly predict that nobody can beat a dog in the hands of so and so person under so and so judge.the central club should analyse these things to see why year after year why only dogs handled or owned by particular persond only win under certain judge.i am not a veteran or bigwig and i am not affected by these things right now,but will certainly not enter the show ring under these circumstances and will even think againn before visiting them and getting disgusted.

czarina, it is not as if the central club in chennai is blissfully unaware. India has VERY few judges and they are not doing anything to change it. Ever since I remember, Mrs Hemchandra, Nagendran, Muneer, Venky, etc were "being groomed" to become judges. But I guess none of them made it. it does not take much to predict results under these judges. most of us who have shown under them know what each likes and will save entry fees if we don't have a dog like that. Foriegn judges are a quick fix - we have to develop our own home grown variety. In a billion people country, "we can't find good judges" won't hold much water.

To my Christian friends a Merry Christmas. Howdedo I do suggest you listen to the so called knowledgable discuss dogs and you would realise a lot of them are not knowledgable.Most would rather be slinging mud at the others and their dogs than be discussing matters objectively regarding bloodlines and what would make a good breeding combi. As far as Mr.Salvi is concerned I hold him in high esteem as an honest man. What needs to be said is just because man showed some other breed earlier or still does does disqualify him from being a good judge.As far as knowledge goes believe me that most of knowledgable are already judges.I do know Yash, Nagendran and Muneer are knowleddgable from first hand. There are a very very few others who know a lot what I would say get close to them to learn. Remember support good people like the Salvis of this world or we would loose the interest of the experts who would not like to enter the judging ring if it resembles a brawl in a bar. Yeah there are lot of so called GSD experts who are not fit to pass comment on a dog leave alone do judging duties. If you think I wish show under Mr Salvi guess again I have known him well for 20 years and have never shown under him.

Hi Nordstern, I do get a feeling I know you well. I have no questions on Salvi's honesty at all. Well, I can think of quite a few more who could be considered to be potential judges - like Javed Pasha, Shanti Chellappa etc to name a few. I don't agree to "all the good ones are already judges" argument. Also, How do more judges come in other countries - how do they gain knowledge? we can do similar things too.

Hi Howdedo I gotta admit I think I know who you are but I respect your need for anonymity. A happy 2005 to you and your family and happy winning. I said and I quote "most of knowledgable are already judges". I was not aware about Javed wanting to judge and as for Shanthi I don't know what the delay is about. Let me give you case in point. Some years back one of my favourite showdogs went BIS at Chennai. Not a GSD in this case. I heard any number of moans and groans from all and sundry.The dog in question was also Dog of the Year. This particular dog would have gone BIS just about any show anywhere in the world.I have not heard such a noise even when an undeserving dog went on top anywhere. I do agree that we need a few more judges but they have to be 'good judges' not just any judge. The present guidelines are also pretty stringent regarding the judges capability in breeding good dogs from different groups. We need people to learn from the top judges and top experts in various breeds the finer points. What has to be ascertained is that new judges just dont know the breed standards but how to apply and interpret them but also whether to put down a GSD with traffic eyes below one which has soft ears and so on.