Eastern European lines German Shepherds - Page 2

Vom,

Lets here it.

I like big shepherds and they appear from time to time from good breedings that were not done for large size.  That produces a big dog that is otherwise to the standard.

I would not go to a breeder who is strictly going for size to the detriment of other issues, like temperament , drive and conformation.

I have noticed with these "big" schemes that they eventually lose everything that makes them a German Shepherd.

I went tos the website and was not surprised to see snipey muzzles and I am sure there is a lot more not to like if what you like is Gernan Shepherd.  If I just wanted a really big dog, I could get a mastiff or a great dane or a newfie.

Michele

This dogs was state at producers from Fashist Germany, they come with russian Army to Russia. But it was not the best dogs. The greatest producer was criptork, so, many jears nobody not look on this.
Yes, some dogs was great, and I like they too. BUT. in 80jears mostly all was mated with GSD from DDR, Czech or BRD. We lost this breed. Now it is not those dog, wich we remember. Not so good work. They have not drive. Today it is not interesting, such dogs. Only for security home, but without drive...

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Thanks for the link; they are great oversize dogs. I like some here www.veoclub.ru/Katalog_k.html


I still see no responds from the people who argue with me before about over 100LB's shepherds are useless.

You guys have nothing to say about them :)



Dear!
mariaartashes, Pharaoh, yoshy. Thanks for the feedback, I simply wanted to hear from the people who were against oversize shepherds. That is all.

 We have nothing to say because talking to you is pointless.  

I'm familiar with the breed you linked, and they're not particularly useful aside from being property guardians.  They were produced as part of the Communist craze for doing everything better than the west, and so were hyped with a great deal of propaganda and very little substance.  So far as I know they're not really used for anything (the Soviet Army actually used GSDs for work, not the Ovcharka). The breed doesn't have much versatility.  It's certainly not used for herding, police work, SAR, or Ringsport or Schutzhund.  The only thing they're good for is for ego gratification for people who think big dogs are "superior", even though they don't prove it by actually achieving anything with the dog.

Maybe you should switch to breeding Ovcharka instead of GSD -- this is what you want from a dog, isn't it?  And that way you can spare the world your attempts to "improve" the GSD.

(I should add as a general qualifier that I have nothing against the larger dog breeds.  They were produced with a specific purpose, and therefore that's what the breed is for.  Producing monstrous GSDs doesn't serve any apparent purpose because it runs counter to the function of the breed.  The Soviets basically proved this with their production of their "improved" version of the GSD -- that they didn't use for much of anything themselves!  Big improvement, that.)

Dear, Jackal73 thanks for your first respond:)

 How about you prove to me what Eastern European Shepherds/Ovcharka are actually being used for?  

I'm not talking about a bunch of generalized rah rah of the breeder's page.  Show me pedigrees with titles, or YouTube videos.  It's not as if Eastern European nations aren't actively participating in working and sport with their dogs and titling them.  So, come on then Shtal -- put some proof behind your bluster.

Where's the evidence?

Oh wait... there isn't any.  You'll find Eastern European German shepherd dogs, yes, but not Ovcharka.  

You can whine and scream and gloat and name names as much as you like Shtal, but without evidence it's a bunch of useless noise. Kind of like those oversize dogs your so enamored with. 

Truth hurts, I know:)

 Mate, give it up.  Your delusions of grandeur are *funny*.  You think you're somehow achieving something -- whether it's convincing people or goading me, and it's just not working.

Here's a little clue -- you've evidently just discovered this breed.  I'm somewhat familiar with them personally, in that I've met a few.  It was in a non-working context, and temperamentally they were O.K., but didn't stand out.  You're not impressing me with any wild claims about the breed.  I honestly don't know if they're more commonly used in Eastern Europe because I'm not situated there.  I'm certain some of our other board members would have something useful to add, given that many are fans of working breeds generally and some hail from Eastern Europe.  

What breeds do they talk about in comparison with GSD?  Dutch Shepherd, and Malinois.  Not Ovcharka.  There's a reason for that, and it's not because people have some sort of blind spot.  If the dogs work well, they work them.  If they don't it follows that they don't work well. Unless you can furnish some sort of hard proof that the dogs are useful for work and sport *no one is going to believe your claims*.

In our prior conversations I've been trying to diplomatically point out that you're not presenting yourself favorably, but you seem to be particularly gifted at ignoring what you don't want to see, or twisting it to suit your desires. Without some sort of proof of your assertions it's a bunch of pointless fapping, and I'd advise you to do that in private because the rest of us really don't care.  Unless you want to be a laughingstock, since people are going to wonder just what you're compensating for with your obsession with "oversize" dogs,  in which case please proceed. You're achieving real success in that arena.