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by Trotters123 on 03 December 2009 - 13:12
I can't see why the Committee seems to getting the majority of the blame here. The Committee chooses the judges yes, but it is down to the Judge on the day whether or not he is going to put up a Committee members dog or not. Maybe the Comittee members dog was the best in the class.....what if that happens......will people STILL say 'oh its favours returned'? or are they going to admit the dog deserved that placing? I think not, human nature veers to the negative.
If a panel were to choose Judges then they would have to use the same lists of Judges that the Committees use. So this would mean the same Judges are judging throughout the year but maybe not on a particular Committees show.
The same faciness will occur regardless what show the Judge happens to be doing.
It is down to the Judges descretion, bottom line. I have said it before and I will say it again......If you don't like the Judge or Know that the Judge is bent or the Judge doesn't like your type - THEN DON'T ENTER! Simple and logical. No point moaning about it as there is always 'next week'!
If a Judge is known to be extremely bent and people do not enter then this means the Clubs income is down and it makes a loss on the show.......if this happens a few times to differing clubs I am sure that word will get out that this particular Judge does NOT pull good entries and will therefore stop being offered postions.
The point of picking a Judge from Committee level is to aquire one who will hopefully attract a good entry, one which will obviously bring the more local exhibitors but one which encourage people from further afield. This makes good business sense from the point of the funds for the clubs. Hurt the pockets of the clubs and the bent Judges will soon be out of business!!!!
Frank
If a panel were to choose Judges then they would have to use the same lists of Judges that the Committees use. So this would mean the same Judges are judging throughout the year but maybe not on a particular Committees show.
The same faciness will occur regardless what show the Judge happens to be doing.
It is down to the Judges descretion, bottom line. I have said it before and I will say it again......If you don't like the Judge or Know that the Judge is bent or the Judge doesn't like your type - THEN DON'T ENTER! Simple and logical. No point moaning about it as there is always 'next week'!
If a Judge is known to be extremely bent and people do not enter then this means the Clubs income is down and it makes a loss on the show.......if this happens a few times to differing clubs I am sure that word will get out that this particular Judge does NOT pull good entries and will therefore stop being offered postions.
The point of picking a Judge from Committee level is to aquire one who will hopefully attract a good entry, one which will obviously bring the more local exhibitors but one which encourage people from further afield. This makes good business sense from the point of the funds for the clubs. Hurt the pockets of the clubs and the bent Judges will soon be out of business!!!!
Frank
by Trotters123 on 03 December 2009 - 13:12
I can't see why the Committee seems to getting the majority of the blame here. The Committee chooses the judges yes, but it is down to the Judge on the day whether or not he is going to put up a Committee members dog or not. Maybe the Comittee members dog was the best in the class.....what if that happens......will people STILL say 'oh its favours returned'? or are they going to admit the dog deserved that placing? I think not, human nature veers to the negative.
If a panel were to choose Judges then they would have to use the same lists of Judges that the Committees use. So this would mean the same Judges are judging throughout the year but maybe not on a particular Committees show.
The same faciness will occur regardless what show the Judge happens to be doing.
It is down to the Judges descretion, bottom line. I have said it before and I will say it again......If you don't like the Judge or Know that the Judge is bent or the Judge doesn't like your type - THEN DON'T ENTER! Simple and logical. No point moaning about it as there is always 'next week'!
If a Judge is known to be extremely bent and people do not enter then this means the Clubs income is down and it makes a loss on the show.......if this happens a few times to differing clubs I am sure that word will get out that this particular Judge does NOT pull good entries and will therefore stop being offered postions.
The point of picking a Judge from Committee level is to aquire one who will hopefully attract a good entry, one which will obviously bring the more local exhibitors but one which encourage people from further afield. This makes good business sense from the point of the funds for the clubs. Hurt the pockets of the clubs and the bent Judges will soon be out of business!!!!
Frank
If a panel were to choose Judges then they would have to use the same lists of Judges that the Committees use. So this would mean the same Judges are judging throughout the year but maybe not on a particular Committees show.
The same faciness will occur regardless what show the Judge happens to be doing.
It is down to the Judges descretion, bottom line. I have said it before and I will say it again......If you don't like the Judge or Know that the Judge is bent or the Judge doesn't like your type - THEN DON'T ENTER! Simple and logical. No point moaning about it as there is always 'next week'!
If a Judge is known to be extremely bent and people do not enter then this means the Clubs income is down and it makes a loss on the show.......if this happens a few times to differing clubs I am sure that word will get out that this particular Judge does NOT pull good entries and will therefore stop being offered postions.
The point of picking a Judge from Committee level is to aquire one who will hopefully attract a good entry, one which will obviously bring the more local exhibitors but one which encourage people from further afield. This makes good business sense from the point of the funds for the clubs. Hurt the pockets of the clubs and the bent Judges will soon be out of business!!!!
Frank
by Mackenzie on 05 December 2009 - 08:12
BUMP
Mackenzie
Mackenzie
by Mackenzie on 09 December 2009 - 11:12
This thread has proved disappointing for me. The subject itself can only be better for the breed in the UK if adopted. The thread had many possibilities for discussion, however, as with many threads it was taken over by the few that want to only engage in personal vendetta and senseless point scoring. This thread has had, as of this post, some 1742 viewings and only 102 contributions. Over eighty per cent of the contributions were from contributors seeking only personal satisfaction with their vendettas. Of the remaining posts the majority was directed towards the way judges are appointed and their honesty.
I would like to thank the few that tried to develop the subject in a positive manner and, for the others, nothing can be said that is favourable to them, or, the future of the breed in the UK. Completely worthless. To the many viewers that followed the thread one can only assume that most of them just wanted a seat to observe the vendettas. For those that would have liked to have seen more come from this thread I can only say that you had the opportunity to join the debate but refused the opportunity for whatever excuse you want to make up. The alternative to these thoughts is that either everyone is happy with the status quo, or, if not, they accept defeat in overcoming the problems within the breed.
There will be some that will want to respond to this post in a negative way and, very few will make a positive response to the thread. Any responses that are made will not be responded to by me. This is now a dead subject.
Mackenzie
I would like to thank the few that tried to develop the subject in a positive manner and, for the others, nothing can be said that is favourable to them, or, the future of the breed in the UK. Completely worthless. To the many viewers that followed the thread one can only assume that most of them just wanted a seat to observe the vendettas. For those that would have liked to have seen more come from this thread I can only say that you had the opportunity to join the debate but refused the opportunity for whatever excuse you want to make up. The alternative to these thoughts is that either everyone is happy with the status quo, or, if not, they accept defeat in overcoming the problems within the breed.
There will be some that will want to respond to this post in a negative way and, very few will make a positive response to the thread. Any responses that are made will not be responded to by me. This is now a dead subject.
Mackenzie
by paulie on 09 December 2009 - 17:12
I have to agree with Mackenzie, such a subject to get our teeth into, and the negatives started before we explored it fully.
when the question was asked i am sure that he expected more, which is a shame, because there is.
The breed is not going to progress in any way, shape or form unless we come to our senses, and realise that we are only the custodians of this breed , and what we do now will be forever enshrined in history. When the next few generations of breeders look back at the legacy left to them, dont you think it should be a positive one?
In my opinion, Mackenzie's question deserves more input from all of us, otherwise what's the point?
What about this for starters, all Championship show judges must also be Breed Surveyors, which obviously would see a great improvement in the breed, because you cannot become a breed surveyor unless you have your own stock surveyed, this one act alone would bring about uniformity, as there would be a great increase in the amount of animals being presented for survey, hopefully this would lead to more animals taking the next step in gaining a working qaulification, even if it was only a companion dog, just think about the good that this might bring to our breed, and the goodwill that we might also receive from our detractors.
Please dont be put off by bitching, give Mackenzie's question some thought, my suggestion might be crap, so let's hear yours.
As always, kind regards.
Paul Rattigan.
when the question was asked i am sure that he expected more, which is a shame, because there is.
The breed is not going to progress in any way, shape or form unless we come to our senses, and realise that we are only the custodians of this breed , and what we do now will be forever enshrined in history. When the next few generations of breeders look back at the legacy left to them, dont you think it should be a positive one?
In my opinion, Mackenzie's question deserves more input from all of us, otherwise what's the point?
What about this for starters, all Championship show judges must also be Breed Surveyors, which obviously would see a great improvement in the breed, because you cannot become a breed surveyor unless you have your own stock surveyed, this one act alone would bring about uniformity, as there would be a great increase in the amount of animals being presented for survey, hopefully this would lead to more animals taking the next step in gaining a working qaulification, even if it was only a companion dog, just think about the good that this might bring to our breed, and the goodwill that we might also receive from our detractors.
Please dont be put off by bitching, give Mackenzie's question some thought, my suggestion might be crap, so let's hear yours.
As always, kind regards.
Paul Rattigan.
by Videx on 09 December 2009 - 19:12
Paul: As recently as this week, I have been informed by several notable GSD breeding/show Kennels, that they will be substantially reducing their GSD exhibiting, with immediate effect. The GSD Show scene here within the UK is definitely in terminal decline, and very little is being done to revitalise it. Talk is NOT action, we need action, very positive and dynamic action, but alas there is no sign of it coming, and very little hope of it coming. Apathy has won. Simply owning, breeding and enjoying your GSD, without exhibiting them, is very attractive indeed. The overwhelming majority of GSD owners have already discovered this.
by paulie on 09 December 2009 - 19:12
I must agree David, i'm one of those people, i've been there got the teashirt, and now use it to wash the car, shows have very little attraction for me now, i cant see the point in flogging two or three hundred miles to show your animal in a class of eight or nine, when we both showed in the 80s and 90s we were both fortunate enough to win at the highest level, with classes in the 60s and 70s ( happy days ). I also agree that we as individuals should be doing more.
I am more than willing to help in any capacity, so i am offering my services to be used however any elected committee deemed fit, i am also sure that there are many others willing to do the same.
Regards.
Paul.
I am more than willing to help in any capacity, so i am offering my services to be used however any elected committee deemed fit, i am also sure that there are many others willing to do the same.
Regards.
Paul.
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