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by Mackenzie on 06 February 2010 - 12:02
Just type the title Symposium on Canine Epilepsy into Yahoo and you should find it quite easily,
regards
Mackenzie
by Sue B on 06 February 2010 - 13:02
Thank you so much for supplying that information and for your honesty. Can I ask if you have passed the full pedigree name of your female who suffered from this horrible disease onto the Breed Health Co-coordinator Chris Hazel? It is important that the names of all the Epileptics (we in the breed) are aware of are passed onto Chris for although we may never be able to prove who the carriers are, a pattern may be forming from which we can choose to avoid or not, where-ever possible.
Obviously people are going to be scanning the pedigree's of the dogs already identified as Epileptics, looking for the common denominator and rightly or wrongly forming their own conclusions. Whilst I agree the first precaution would be to avoid using the animals directly involved with Epileptic progeny, by the same token it is equally, if not more important that the siblings and offspring of the actual Epileptic itself are also never bred from.
As I have said many times before while ever the mode of inheritance remains unknown, it is just as damaging to a breed to blame everything as it is to blame nothing. Of course it is easy to point the finger if the sire , dam , sibling or even an ancestor is/was an Epileptic themselves but no so easy when all directly involved, so far as can be ascertained, are or were not sufferers themselves. This is when the 'Guessing Games' begin and the 'Pointy Finger Brigade' materialise, of course it is all so easy to point the finger away from ones own back door, or to feel smug when you know your own dogs bare no relation to those currently effected. In my opinion both sides of this coin are wrong, as I said before, there but for the grace of god go I.
Now for an observation, what is most important for you all to realise here is that I am not pointing any finger or making any stupid assumptions as I believe it is absolutely essential that no-one jumps to conclusions on this as obviously without proof of a sufferer or of the mode of inheritance, all any of us can do is be vigilant whilst refraining from playing Witch finder General. That said here is my observation, based on the pedigrees of the two Epileptics sired by Nasko, two others I was informed about late last night who are related to these two but are VOID of Nasko (or his bloodlines) , adding these to the information supplied by Sarah Smith above the common denominator appears to be brothers Nero and Natz Hirschel , since all five animals possess one or the other of these two brothers in the first 3 generations of their pedigrees whilst only two of these animals carry Nasko in their pedigree, it again becomes easy to start finger pointing.
My advise to everyone therefore is to be vigilant but not a vigilante!!
Regards
Sue
by Caffrey on 06 February 2010 - 16:02
Happy to supply what ever information Chris Hazel needs, about any of my dogs, just let me know how I can get hold of him
Regards
Sarah
by pt1 on 06 February 2010 - 16:02
interesting info on reaserch page on www.cermar.co.uk
by Caffrey on 06 February 2010 - 16:02
by petowner on 07 February 2010 - 11:02
I see the ostrich sydrome fast approaching here !, except for the few smaller breeders who are being honest like Sarah. If you all wait for a scientific test for epilepsy you will be a long time in the waiting !. Only breeders honesty together with sensible breeding plans can help now.
pt1. Seems Chris Hazell like another is more than happy to harvest information from people but far less happy to give out any information when owners/breeders are asking for advice regarding their pedigrees or breeding plans !.
Not intending to be rude at all but do any of these professional pedigree researchers (as I believe they are called) have to pass any exams to become a professional pedigree researcher ? or are they only self appointed being no different to other breeders who delve into pedigrees ?. Just curious because its seen on breeders websites where they state their pediigrees have been checked by professionals. Simon.
by Mark3 on 07 February 2010 - 22:02
I’ve come across those websites that say the pedigree is professionally checked. Now if I didn’t know any better, I would think that meant checked by a ‘professional‘, i.e. a professional researcher who has accreditation and was collating information on behalf of the breed to give advice on breeding decisions. As it seems, it’s simply looked at by a self appointed person in the breed being no different to anyone else that delves into pedigrees, and if that person lacks sufficient information than say, someone else in the breed, they are lacking in the advice they can give. The term ‘professional’ therefore is very misleading.
I am surprised at Chris Hazell, as the KC Breed Health Representative, being less happy to give out any information when owners/breeders are asking for advice regarding their pedigrees or breeding plans. What is the point then, of a Breed Health Representative????
by Wildmoor on 08 February 2010 - 23:02
by Penny on 08 February 2010 - 23:02
When Malcolm was in better health, (Malcolm Willis) he would never give me the low down on a dog that was not good with my female that I was thinking of visitng regarding hip status, but he would say, give me a few names and I will tell you whch one I WOULD use. It got to the same end result of knowledge.
I am sure that Chris is doing her very best, and we all should do our best to give the info. Mo.
by Mackenzie on 09 February 2010 - 07:02
One way to deal with your concerns is for people submitting information to sign a declaration that it can be freely available to an enquirer. Any enquiry for information would have to be addressed to a recognised body to be dealt with.
Mackenzie
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