Epilepsy Do we have a problem - Page 9

Sue B, please note that I have not said anything about you personally but the information that you have given will give comfort to many readers. You have just said something that should have been said by DH from the beginning. If you read an earlier post from me you will see that what I did say is “I have not asked Davey Hall to come on here and declare all he knows. I have asked that he informs everyone of the basis of the alleged comments that he made. The vehicle that he uses to provide that information is up to him and, I think, that as the Vice Chairman of the Breed Council there is a duty upon him to do so”. Not unreasonable and, what ever you may think, you will read in another earlier post that I have said “it should not become a witch hunt in the search for the truth.

It is good to know that the Breed Clubs health co-ordinator has matters in hand and I look forward to hearing the findings of the investigation. As for the SV, you are right to think that I am awaiting their response.

As you have said the dog has been removed from stud. Would you please confirm which dog you are talking about.

Regards

Mackenzie

Well Bazza, you may not be aware but not everyone else knows what is happening.  The facts that Sue has presented should have been put in the public domain from the beginning.   There is a much wider audience on here than just me.   Instead of picking holes in  people why do you not say something of substance on the topic of this thread which is the disease itself and the need to know?

Mackenzie

Mackenzie, it is my understanding that Nasko bred/owned by DH and sire of the said Epileptic female has been withdrawn from stud (though that is not to be taken as an admittance that the sire alone is to blame) but it may be relevant for you all to know he had not been used as a sire since autumn  2008 in any case.

You have asked me to confirm which dog I am talking about,  I am not aware of any other dog in question here except Nasko, unless you mean the dog which was mentioned as having featured in the pedigree's of both the dams of the two effected progeny, in which case, unless I am very much mistaken I believe he has already departed this earth, though I may be wrong and my apologies to his owners if I am. Either way his presence in these pedigree;s could be co-incidental since there is no way of proving otherwise, unless anybody else has more information. Hope this info has now put your mind a little more at ease, in that nothing has been swept under the carpet and the GSD Fraternity are making sure the data they have is passed onto the relevant bodies. 
 
Regards
Sue

Sue if you go to the beginning of this thread you will  see that Nasko is mentioned.   However, it is alleged that DH pointed the finger at  Apollo v Dakota as the source of the epilepsy.   Apollo is the dog that I have been referring to all through this thread although two other posters referred to Nasko in relation to dwarfism.

If you go back to the beginning you will see that all that I asked for  from DH was the basis upon which his allegation were made regarding the source of epilepsy.   If the alleged remarks were not made then DH should have made it clear from the beginning which is something he has not  done.   In the absence of any comment from  DH I wrote to the SV.

I am sure that you will  agree that when a serious health problem occurs there is a "need to know" by all breeders.   The bloodline from Apollo is from prominent breeding families and, if Apollo is the source of the epilepsy then there is a major  problem worldwide.   Indeed, my own male by Bax Luisenstrasse carries some of the lines behind Apollo, therefore, there is a need for me to know.  It is clear from Bill  Owen's posts that he is concerned about Apollo as he bred Blerio Reflection who is by Apollo.

Please read again from the beginning again Sue and then you can appreciate my concern as well as those others connected to Apollo in their bloodline.

regards

Mackenzie

Sue, excellent post, if the relevant people are looking into the problem, then let's cool it,untill we have something in concrete. i don't believe back checking through pedigree's 10-15 generations and looking for a link to the so called main sauce (Quadrille) and then assuming that's where it comes from. We need to be more scientific than licking you're finger and holding it into the wind. We need to identify current dogs by a more up-to date dna system, before we point any finger. My breeding is in the thick of this problem, and If I'm prepared to be patient and wait till we're certain, then I'm sure It's not much to ask for everyone to take the same breath. So let's all step back and wait. regards Bill Owen.

For those wishing to help but want to remain anonymous please contact Bryan McLaughlin

All research is undertaken in complete confidence. The identity of all samples submitted to the research effort will be kept confidential and the results from individual dogs will only be shared with the dog's owner(s), once the research has been completed.

We are collecting samples from dogs that are:

* Affected with idiopathic epilepsy * Closely related to a dog that is affected with idiopathic epilepsy * Unaffected with epilepsy and over 7 years of age.

If you have a dog or dogs that meet any of the above criteria then we would very much appreciate a sample from them.

To request a free swab kit or sample submission form, please contact our sample manager, Bryan McLaughlin (bryan.mclaughlin@aht.org.uk) indicating the number of kits you require and your full postal address.

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Hi Mark3
not sure if connected but the AHT are part of The Canine Epilepsy Research Consortium which is a group of scientists who have agreed to:

# share DNA samples, phenotype data, and genotype data
# share credit for scientific contribution by co-authoring manuscripts
# agree that discoveries will be put into public domain.


others that I know of are the University of Missouri and University of Minnesota

Good posts  Wildmoor and a good contribution to this subject.  In an earlier post I referred to  two papers about epilepsy and both papers were from  the University of Minnesota.   I found them interesting reading.

Mackenzie

Wildmoor, very useful link to the animal health trust research into the subject of this thread. I would like to see all males who have been used at stud  supply a dna sample for research, this seems the first step, and only way to eliminate the clear dogs, and identify where the problem stems from. I think the Breed Council, and The  League, should be at the for front of such research and encourage all clubs and breeders to participate. The alternative is finger in the wind, and vague assumptions. regards Bill Owen.