Lornaville Alsatians - Page 2

Please don't think all us so called Alsationists are happy  with him either.
 linedancer

Surely those lornaville dogs are NOTHING to do with German Shepherd dogs ?

Wonder why the KC. are not looking at health tests for Alsations, and we know they are not because how come so many are registered ?

Dogs dragging their bums along the ground in shires of University land ( work it out ) should never have a KC registration.

oh i also failed to point out in my last post how he words the title for this breed.......CORRECT TITLE......GERMAN SHEPHERD DOGS.............Title for KC.....German Shepherd Dog(Alsatian)...........TITLE AS SEEN BY ROY BRANDON........ALSATIAN(GSD)......Does that not show it all.And yes LINEDANCER ....i do not class all alsatianists/english exhibitors  with the same brush.i do acknowledge that some of you are now having your animals scored etc.and i do think that some of your animals are not as bad as years gone by(have been in show scene since 1987)as a matter of fact my 1st bitch was half german(sire line) and half english(dam line)(sire line all Stranmillis).fortunately for me,she took after he fathers line and i went down the correct path(IMO)there is 1 english champion bitch that i could live with and i have told her owners my opinion s of her.i am a lady with her own mind and if i like an animal i will say so and im not the only one of the german persusion that thinks she,s not too bad a specimen.i just wonder where you on the alsatianist side are going to go with your breeding programes as more and more english to middle of the road exhibitors are using germanic type dogs???

In his recent reply to the Kennel Club Dr Malcolm Willis said:-

‘It is perhaps true to say that many all rounder judges do not support the correct type of German Shepherd Dog. Why not, when it is recognised universally? This country is out of step and considered the “poor relation” with the rest of the GSD world and the KC is doing nothing to get us back into step. The “Alsatian” which is recognized here and virtually no where else, appears to be supported and lauded by the Kennel Club. If our governing body really wanted to help the GSD breed advance, they would penalize this type of dog.… The existence of two types of GSD is brought about by the Kennel Club permitting judges to award CCs when they should not even be judging the breed at all.’

Do people want the Kennel Club CC system or do they want German Shepherd Dogs judged by WUSV rules? Is anyone prepared to defend the Kennel Club CC system?

I found that a reference here to “middle of the road” which also appears on many other threads as a complete nonsense. There are in practise only two types of GSD and they are the correct type and the incorrect type. The people who are “middle of the road” produce and refer to their production in this way are incorrect. In my opinion this section of the GSD fraternity need to sit down and think carefully about what they are doing and saying and then determine which way they need to go in the best interests of the breed. All of Lornaville Alsatians as pictured on the web address given earlier are incorrect and are not to the breed standard. Further, their breeding carry lines with epilepsy.

I think that it would be better for the breeder to get out of dogs all together if this is the best he can do.

Mackenzie

Well i own and  am in partnership with   our beautiful CH Linsdown Georgiashe was the only" English type "  for a better word made up in 2009  her Hip Score is 4/7  eyes clear i'm sure you will know   she was sired by my late wonderful AMCH Alkarah's all American  with Strco
who passed away suddenly  a year ago this month with Liver Cancer, her dam is Linsdown Whisper all English bred.
 Although i do like some of the German bred dogs i really do not know enough about their lines ,i  have a Chip daughter in the US at the moment who is doing well in the show ring  so when she is done and got her title she will be mated to an AMCH and the i will bring her back to the UK in whelp.
 Linedancer

/me is Middle of the road....

And no that doesn't mean Type or bloodlines or any other label !

That means looking for the all-round working dog with correct balanced conformation, that allows it to do the job it was bred to do.

Not a beauty show and not an extreme sport dog.

The middle = somewhere inbetween!

Gotta love those sweeping generalisations huh?

Mackenzie I agree that particular person should not be breeding dogs, he has caused much grief with his inbreeding on epileptic lines. There is also epileptic lines within the German bred dogs as you know so both sides have that fault. The incorrect type and the correct type ?. I am seeing two extremes of different types that look like different breeds which you are referring to as the correct and incorrect types.  I then see dogs that are very pleasing to the eye that do not lean towards either extreme, these are the dogs I would consider to be of the correct type so I would be describing these as middle of the road dogs. Unfortunately there are breeders who use the term middle of the road as a description for their own dogs when they are clearly poor specimens that do not fall into any type catagorie.         Simon.

mackenzie and bazza.agree with you both that there is only correct  or incorrect type BUT there is a fraction of exhibitors who prefer to call their animals middle of the road and i am one of them.my animals including my foundation bitch are and were correct to the standard.i call my animals middle of the road as they have no exagerations wot so ever.iIMO ,I THINK IT HAS MORE TO DO WITH THE WAY THEY HANDLE THEIR DOGS AS OPPOSED TO TYPE..they tend to attend shows under all rounders that judge to the correct type and judges who prefer the dogs to be shown in a calm and collected manner without all the frantic pulling into the collars and the digging in ,which IMO,distorts the topline and causes otherwise sound animals to appear unsound.maybe if the german side(and yes i do attend german breed champ.shows with my bitch when i can get there,which for the past few years has been difficult due to my hubbies health) did not go overboard on this issue we wouldnt be in the situation we are in today.my present show bitch is sitting on 2 CC .......1 won under a german type breed judge and 1 won under a middle of road type judge.she has won and been placed at general and breed club champ.shows under international judges,judges from germany,judges from the uk(german side)and (middle of road)and all rounder,so as you see basically she appeals to most judges.wouldnt expect her to be placed under alsatianist judgesBut havent tried that one.WHO KNOWS ,MAYBE.linedancer...georgia is the bitch i could live with and i told Suzie this when i met her at derbyshire champ show last year.no doubt i will get slated by my germanic side exhibitors for my comment about the handling issue but that is my opinion.