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by hamza166 on 07 June 2010 - 17:06
OK i want to learn more about the Sieger Show. I now some stuff about it but wish to learn more.
here are some questions i need help with please:
1) Does a dog have to qualify for the show before it can compete?
2) How does the show work & how are the dogs judged?
I know that dogs first do a courage test, and all those that pass go ahead into the conformation.
What i would like to know is how do they know if a dog has passed or failed the courage test. Then also how are the dogs judged? Does it depend entirely on them or what i think through looking at a book & the internet is that are they also judged depending on how good their progeny is as well as their own conformation?
All help welcome please.
here are some questions i need help with please:
1) Does a dog have to qualify for the show before it can compete?
2) How does the show work & how are the dogs judged?
I know that dogs first do a courage test, and all those that pass go ahead into the conformation.
What i would like to know is how do they know if a dog has passed or failed the courage test. Then also how are the dogs judged? Does it depend entirely on them or what i think through looking at a book & the internet is that are they also judged depending on how good their progeny is as well as their own conformation?
All help welcome please.
by Liesjers on 07 June 2010 - 17:06
1) A dog does not have to qualify other than meeting the requirements of the class they are entering (correct age, and the "working class" must have HGH or SchH title).
2) Generally, the dogs enter the ring and begin gaiting around until everyone is in the ring in catalog order, then they stop and stack. The judge pulls the dogs up one by one and does the "Stand for exam". For this part, the hander stacks the dog while the judge can look at an physically examine the dog. The judge checkes the testicles and has the handler show the bite. Then the handler does a "down and back" where the dog is moved a short distance away from the judge and then back to the judge, so the judge can check the movement at this angle and how narrow or wide the dog's legs are in the front and rear. Then the handler gaits the dog for one lap. Once all the stand for exams are done, the judge will often re-arrange the dogs in a new order based on what they've seen so far, then the dogs gait around and the judge can ask for fast laps, slower laps, break up the groups if there are too many in the ring, etc. Depending on the class, they may need the gun fire test at which point the judge will call about 4-5 dogs into the ring at a time (if it is a large class) and fire the gun twice. Once the final order is set, the judge will critique the dogs one by one while the handler has the dog stacked. If it is a large class, not all dogs may be critiqued.
Generally in order to be considered for VA the dogs must be SchH 3 and have good progeny shown or a progeny group. Some judges will not award a VA to a dog they haven't already judged once or twice before.
For a national Sieger event, the working class dogs must pass the bitework. Then they typically do their stand for exams separate from all the gaiting and final placements, because it takes a long time and there are many dogs. For example, one show I attended the working class dogs did the bitework in the morning, the stand for exam in the afternoon, and went into the ring together the next morning.
2) Generally, the dogs enter the ring and begin gaiting around until everyone is in the ring in catalog order, then they stop and stack. The judge pulls the dogs up one by one and does the "Stand for exam". For this part, the hander stacks the dog while the judge can look at an physically examine the dog. The judge checkes the testicles and has the handler show the bite. Then the handler does a "down and back" where the dog is moved a short distance away from the judge and then back to the judge, so the judge can check the movement at this angle and how narrow or wide the dog's legs are in the front and rear. Then the handler gaits the dog for one lap. Once all the stand for exams are done, the judge will often re-arrange the dogs in a new order based on what they've seen so far, then the dogs gait around and the judge can ask for fast laps, slower laps, break up the groups if there are too many in the ring, etc. Depending on the class, they may need the gun fire test at which point the judge will call about 4-5 dogs into the ring at a time (if it is a large class) and fire the gun twice. Once the final order is set, the judge will critique the dogs one by one while the handler has the dog stacked. If it is a large class, not all dogs may be critiqued.
Generally in order to be considered for VA the dogs must be SchH 3 and have good progeny shown or a progeny group. Some judges will not award a VA to a dog they haven't already judged once or twice before.
For a national Sieger event, the working class dogs must pass the bitework. Then they typically do their stand for exams separate from all the gaiting and final placements, because it takes a long time and there are many dogs. For example, one show I attended the working class dogs did the bitework in the morning, the stand for exam in the afternoon, and went into the ring together the next morning.
by miles on 07 June 2010 - 17:06
1) Does a dog have to qualify for the show before it can compete?
It Depends which class you are talking about. Puppies up to two years old do not need to qualify. The adult working classes the dogs need at least a schh1 to compete and at least a schh2 to make VA.
2) How does the show work & how are the dogs judged?
Once again it depends which class you are talking about. I am assuming that you are talking about the adult class. The first day they do bite work and it is pass or fail. They do two excercises. They do a bite when the handler and dog are walking together and the helper comes out of a blind. The dog must heal until the helper is fully out of the blind then the dog attacks. The helper then drives the dog about ten steps hitting the dog with a stick. The dog must not let go until the command is given. Once the command is given the dog should relese the sleeve and sit and wait for the handler to come put the lead on him.
Then they walk across the field and they do a courage test. Once again the dog is driven and hit with a stick and the dog must out on command and sit and wait for the handler to get him.
The next day they do a standing exam. They check their teeth, nuts, height, etc. critique the dog, the dog walks back and forth, and then they gait around the ring.
The next day they have a progeny group, the group must consist of at least 3 dogs that are not fully related or in otherwords littermates (I think). The judges assess how the dogs produce.
Next, they all get in the ring and run around until the Judge places them in the correct order.
Hope this helps.
It Depends which class you are talking about. Puppies up to two years old do not need to qualify. The adult working classes the dogs need at least a schh1 to compete and at least a schh2 to make VA.
2) How does the show work & how are the dogs judged?
Once again it depends which class you are talking about. I am assuming that you are talking about the adult class. The first day they do bite work and it is pass or fail. They do two excercises. They do a bite when the handler and dog are walking together and the helper comes out of a blind. The dog must heal until the helper is fully out of the blind then the dog attacks. The helper then drives the dog about ten steps hitting the dog with a stick. The dog must not let go until the command is given. Once the command is given the dog should relese the sleeve and sit and wait for the handler to come put the lead on him.
Then they walk across the field and they do a courage test. Once again the dog is driven and hit with a stick and the dog must out on command and sit and wait for the handler to get him.
The next day they do a standing exam. They check their teeth, nuts, height, etc. critique the dog, the dog walks back and forth, and then they gait around the ring.
The next day they have a progeny group, the group must consist of at least 3 dogs that are not fully related or in otherwords littermates (I think). The judges assess how the dogs produce.
Next, they all get in the ring and run around until the Judge places them in the correct order.
Hope this helps.
by crhuerta on 07 June 2010 - 22:06
I can only add that the progeny group must consist of (6) dogs...and all must be exhibited in the classes at the same show....and for the VA title to be awarded...the dog must be ScH2, KKL1 (or accepted, recognized title equal to)...and be descended directly from ScH, KKL titled parents. To qualify for the VA title multiple times.....the dog must then have received a ScH3 ( or accepted, recognized title equal to).....progeny is also considered.
by hamza166 on 08 June 2010 - 15:06
OK thank you everyone that was all really helpful
by oso on 08 June 2010 - 15:06
Obviously, only dogs old enough to present progeny have to present a group, young dogs can compete without presenting progeny.
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