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by KellyJ on 08 October 2010 - 04:10
No way never in a million years!
by KellyJ on 08 October 2010 - 04:10
Or this....
by Sunsilver on 08 October 2010 - 04:10
Kelly...WOW! Where did you find those pictures?
by Jeff Oehlsen on 08 October 2010 - 06:10
Racker. Nice choice.
Quote: Here's my ideal dog from before the split. Any dog that could become German, Dutch, AND Belgian Sieger, back when the title meant TRUE working ability really must have had a lot going for him.
I like his proportions, but his head is definitely not one of his better points. I think the muzzle is a bit too long in relation to the skull, and the stop could be better, too. And, of course, by comparison with today's chow-faced males, it would be considered too feminine
If the GSD is truly a working dog, what difference does the size or shape of his muzzle matter ?
I often think that people look at this whole thing backwards. The dogs that work well are correct, the shape of the head is irrelevant.
Quote: Here's my ideal dog from before the split. Any dog that could become German, Dutch, AND Belgian Sieger, back when the title meant TRUE working ability really must have had a lot going for him.
I like his proportions, but his head is definitely not one of his better points. I think the muzzle is a bit too long in relation to the skull, and the stop could be better, too. And, of course, by comparison with today's chow-faced males, it would be considered too feminine
If the GSD is truly a working dog, what difference does the size or shape of his muzzle matter ?
I often think that people look at this whole thing backwards. The dogs that work well are correct, the shape of the head is irrelevant.
by windwalker18 on 08 October 2010 - 07:10
Of current dogs Olek Vom Maineche is my ideal for a working line dog as far as conformation... and Schicco is my preference in SL dogs.
I guess I'm in the minority, but I see no reason to "settle" for a dog who can only work.. or a dog that's only pretty. I also believe it's not in the best interest of the breed for each side to invest so deeply to THEIR vision of what makes a GSD perfect is the one and only real Shepherd. I want a working dog that folks on the street stop and stare at cause he's so handsome, and a SL dog who can got to public gatherings, Pet therapy and STILL defend his home and me. Fortunately I looked for and chose breeders who share that vision. IMHO the breed would be better off if more were broadminded.
(for those curious yes, I chose Working line breeders with handsome dogs breeding V and SG ranted stock. Above all else I want all round soundness in both body and mind)
I guess I'm in the minority, but I see no reason to "settle" for a dog who can only work.. or a dog that's only pretty. I also believe it's not in the best interest of the breed for each side to invest so deeply to THEIR vision of what makes a GSD perfect is the one and only real Shepherd. I want a working dog that folks on the street stop and stare at cause he's so handsome, and a SL dog who can got to public gatherings, Pet therapy and STILL defend his home and me. Fortunately I looked for and chose breeders who share that vision. IMHO the breed would be better off if more were broadminded.
(for those curious yes, I chose Working line breeders with handsome dogs breeding V and SG ranted stock. Above all else I want all round soundness in both body and mind)
by Gustav on 08 October 2010 - 12:10
"The beauty of the dog is in its Utility".....!
by Jeff Oehlsen on 08 October 2010 - 17:10
Quote: I also believe it's not in the best interest of the breed for each side to invest so deeply to THEIR vision of what makes a GSD perfect is the one and only real Shepherd.
Here is the problem. When you make up your own breed, you would at least think that if it turns out to be a pretty damn good dog that people would respect what you have done. You and others got together and spent the time coming up with a standard of what the dog should look like, and you ask that the dog is a working dog above all else.
Then, you die, and maybe most of a century goes by, and all of a sudden, some dipshits using the excuse to "better" the breed come along and create some roach backed sickle hocked apple headed cur of a dog. People have seen this dog, and like it's "look'
Then you have the people with these huge hairy balls that just twist shit and twist shit and the dogs they produce are not even CLOSE to what you originally was looking at.
Then you read this forum, and people write interesting shit like what we see here. Your breed is 74% in the shitter and the rest are bobbling around talking about adding another breed into it because people do what they want and are selfish. LOL
Here is the problem. When you make up your own breed, you would at least think that if it turns out to be a pretty damn good dog that people would respect what you have done. You and others got together and spent the time coming up with a standard of what the dog should look like, and you ask that the dog is a working dog above all else.
Then, you die, and maybe most of a century goes by, and all of a sudden, some dipshits using the excuse to "better" the breed come along and create some roach backed sickle hocked apple headed cur of a dog. People have seen this dog, and like it's "look'
Then you have the people with these huge hairy balls that just twist shit and twist shit and the dogs they produce are not even CLOSE to what you originally was looking at.
Then you read this forum, and people write interesting shit like what we see here. Your breed is 74% in the shitter and the rest are bobbling around talking about adding another breed into it because people do what they want and are selfish. LOL
by Preston on 08 October 2010 - 22:10
Sunsilver, not all progeny are listed here, and some GSDs either weren't used much because they were not "good producers" or the owners didn't want the hassle. I did not say the dog was a producer, I cited him to show that some top rated WL profung winners were near perfect to the standard. There are a fair number now in Europe that are attarctive WL GSDs and some of these are producers.
by SitasMom on 09 October 2010 - 04:10
I like this Siegerin from '67
The break between SL and WL started back in the early 1900's breeders have been bickering ever since......same stuff issues for a hundred years.
by CrysBuck25 on 09 October 2010 - 04:10
By today's standards, SM, that bitch is almost a dachshund!
Crys
Crys
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