People are screwing the breed! Zara von der Zenteiche VA with ruined hips? - Page 17

jantie zara has a normal hips until it can be proved otherwise, and not the way you say, it is obvious to any sensible person who reads this thread that you are out for revenge and intend to get it anyway you can, you have no proof of anything you have said here so until you can prove what you have said then stop spewing your lies on this forum.
jim h 

To Quote Jantie; "Very funny! So much agitation, and none of them die-hards has asked for the original x-ray!! Would immediately end all discussions!"

Well if you really had some information, you would have the letter from the SV that compared the original x rays with the second set of x rays where it was determined it was the same dog without a doubt. I guess once again the SV did just what you said no one would do. Since it's already been done, I guess as you put it; "Would immediately end all discussions!"

Consider it done.

People who have been with us for a longer period of time know I would never ever publish anything without a solid base. Even as we speak PM's keep coming in saying there is something rotten about the hips of Zara and the word has spread all over their vicinity and the local clubs. Reading an SV-statement that there is no reason to x-ray again (according to the SV-law), does not prove the hips are OK!

My papers are being used by different people on different levels trying to find there way through SV-matters, business and politics. Up until today, nobody has complained or proved me wrong.

If a screening would answer all of the questions, it needed to be done at a neutral clinic and by independant experts. So much is evident.

Be my guest and prove me wrong. As stated before on different occasions during this thread, my party is willing to pay all expenses!

Jantie the thing you are missing here  is that its not about proving you wrong what it is about is you proving you are right  and i am afraid you have not done this, all you have given is your take on a letter which if i am honest does not stack up.
jim h

jantie, this is my last post to this thread.

But I wish to tell the world what I know of a person (that you mention) who had much the same experience as you in the GSD and h/d.

He chose to launch himself into study of the issues of h/d in the GSD. Chose to dedicate his time and recourses to study of h/d in the GSD.

Chose to present his findings in print and offer them to the world.

Chose to, at the expense of his own finances, to become an SV judge ( one of only two in the U.S.).

To do what he can to present to the world what he considers a correct GSD.

Chose to look for what is correct n the GSD.

So, this is what I say:

My name is Rick Atchley. If you wish to call on someone who you present as alignment with you, please mention my name and say that I disagree.

You are a fool who has no GSD to validate you.

Rick Atchley

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Hi Rick!

GSD-enthusiasts all start at zero knowledge, right?
Then step by step one starts to gather information and one, on occasion, is allowed to look behind the scenes. Smart people, of which there are many in the GSD-world, can teach one a whole lot. And one can assimilate this vast amount of knowledge!

Then finally, one must come to the conclusion that there is something rotten in the system (as now proved by different revelations, such as the Hammer Protokoll - a huge and shameful cover-up for enrichment on the part of longtime SV-judges, failing any official denial until today!!) and the health of the GSD is going down the drain, as shown in documentaries such as "Pedigree Dogs Exposed" or "Pflegefall Schäferhund" (made by neutral people by the way with no commercial interest whatsoever in the dog-world), and as proved by the many testimonies of people on discussion boards. HD/ED and Cauda Equina are destroying the GSD, and the system which should give us tools to control the disease, is being manipulated by the breeders themselves (throwing bad screenings away and organizing their own StillAdmissable-A-stamps with their own Vets!!)

So finally it's all about the Money and the Power in the SV-organization, the selection of very few champions, breeding their brains out for a couple of years and being sold to a Chinese millionaire afterwards. The big breeders in Germany don't scratch away dogpoop, they scratch money of the back of the modest dog enthusiasts and small breeders who have to play the game (they have to make the scenery, they are the dummies, and on occassion will get some left-overs or crumbs).

Only the die-hards fail to admit there is indeed a huge problem (and the die-hards are of course part of the problem).
The deeper you dig into this sh**  the more it stinks, its one huge swamp really.
It was about time people stood up and made there point!
And funny enough, its the SV-judges themselves who started to play ball!
Some of them (again) want a bigger piece of the cake! But  now that we have to bake smaller cakes, due to the worlds economics and decreasing intrest in GSD's in Europe, they all gather like lions around the slain wildebeest!

Formerly things were discussed in dubious quarters smelling like conspiracy, far away from official channels. Now that things have come out into the open, I daresay a lot of people are working very hard today to finally clear out these Augean stables! Believe me, they are unaware of who Rick Atchley is.

So farewell! And don't look back!
I will let you know when the stables are clean.

In view of further revelations about to be published, we must keep our readers informed.

Please do check other threads for mischief at the very top.

Just  a short question:

Isn´t  "a3" still "Noch Zugelassen"? And isn´t "Noch Zugelassen" still the minumum for getting a dog registered with "pink papers"?

Please understand, I neither want to to take party for one or the other side as I´m more or less out of this circus. But in the end I believe a breeder should have to decide on his own if he wants to keep on breeding with a female classified "a3" or not. Nobody is forced to buy a puppy in that case

What I once was told by a man who few people called a friend, some may have thought a pretty good breeder and (at least what I read here on this board) the rest of the Shepherd-Dog-World called the devil himself: FEMALES ARE RUNNING THE BREEDING-PROGRAM.

See, probably I might be wrong for taking his "words of wisdom" to serious, I really don´t know. But in the end I believe that the breeder himself has to decide if he want´s and when yes then how to use a female with "a3".

But as much as I know the grandparents and the grand-grandparents are influencing the outcome much more than the parents themselves (VA+VA=VA? or a1+a1=a1? sometimes yes, but most of times no).

After over 30 years of "x-raying" we perhaps rather should talk about changing the system and only allowe "a1" and "a2" rated dogs for breeding insted of sitting somewhere and throwing shit on somebody else. By the way it would have been interesting to read your coments if you´d owned the female you´re picking on right now!

Greetz from a stupid dummass



 

 Wow, good to see the famous Wienerau kennels posting here, thank you jantie for this thread which gave me the chance to read some lines from these GSD breed Pillars.

Ibrahim

TO CORRECT AN INCORRECT STATEMENT REGARDING THE BVA HIP SCHEME MADE BY VIDEX ON THIS THREAD
Earlier on in this thread Videx posted:
Abby Normal clearly does NOT understand the BVA/KC Hip Scheme. She reads one sentence or clause and then makes her assumptions, usually taking it out of context with the whole scheme rules. The scheme has numerous clauses and sentences which complete the schemes rules, it is essential to FULLY understand the scheme and make NO assumptions, unless they are CLEARLY expressed as that. I have known this scheme since it was introduced and used it hundreds of times.
The BVA Scheme does allow multiple submissions, I have done this on 2 dogs.

As I posted back to Videx, I do not make assumptions, especially when I have known someone who was chief scrutineer for many years! The statement above is an utter load of rubbish.

I have spoken both with the past scrutineer who arranged for a colleague who is a current scrutineer to call me today, and we had a very in depth conversation this morning.

There are no clauses, sentences, rules or anything else which allows for a second set of x-rays to be scored by the BVA once a score has been given. There has been only one case of an identification mix up when two dogs plates were submitted together and the vet misidentified the x-rays - and that is in the last 8 years.

If the plates are poor they will be rejected. If they are not as good as someone may have liked but are adequate they will be scored. A DOG WILL NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE ANOTHER SET OF PLATES RESCORED ONCE A SCORE HAS BEEN GIVEN . An appeal may be allowed for the same plates to be re-scored. Videx' statement  that the BVA does allow multiple submissions is complete and utter nonsense, and deliberately or otherwise, totally misleading.