In Future Pedigrees - Who will be the Top Dog We Will Be Debating - WL - Page 8

I don't know how much the webmaster of this site reads these, but it would be interesting if on the BSP and BSZS lists, it would automatically show Sire and Dam. I would also love to see some way to see all the sports scores from around the globe, assuming they all eventually go through the VDH, to be accessible. It would be nice to be able to track the lineage of dogs that consistently perform well. Especially given the number of dogs that have crossed the Atlantic, in both directions.

There is also almost a singular focus on Schutzhund or IPO. Please correct me if I am wrong, but aren't many of the exercises from early days of Schutzhund that have been removed, still in KNPV or other sports? I think if I could find a "perfect" male, it's back ground would be broader than just Schutzhund scores.

Greg, she's talking about Ha Ja Da. It was stated in a few posts after hers. 

Ref size, does it really matter?

Basco Teufelskehle is a big awesome dog.... 68cm / 44kg
Jucan von Peroh....63cm / 38kg
Caro  van Brandevoort is a awesome KNPV dog...so not just a sports dog!! 67cm / 34kg....but he does fly at the helper like a Mal....so I am glad he is not too heavy ! He loves to have the last word and had the best bite work in the champion of champions and was the only GSD selected !!

Again I love looking at old pictures of the GSD....they do look like malinois, and are not heavy looking like some GSD's of today!
But this is a different thread ref size.....

At the end of the day all the studs mentions have a different stamp on the GSD, depending on what you want and what you need against the traits of your bitch.

Add size and toughness , the likes of Basco
Tyson von der Schiffslache has been a great producer for both Sch and KNPV....awesome dog !
Gringo, Ellute, Zidane, Eros, Como, Tom, Vito, Uno van Stadtfeld all have produced great offspring, but there will be one or two I would not use on my bitch because it would not match my goals.

I am using Caro because my bitch is KNPV PH1 qualified and it suits my needs.
I would also use Basco and Lubeck since they have everything I would want...and will probably use them next year (not at the same time) !


Half of the dogs listed in Bancroft's list is still young, so we should be talking about them in 5-10 years time ! But who your pups get sold too is just as important !! - with my bitch, her first litter was with Lubeck (KNPV in both parents and grand parents)....in June she would mate Caro....maybe Basco next year and another a year after....then retirement ! If all the pups I produce go to poor to average handlers, would there be any point? So to make great dogs you need great trainers/owners.......thats the only reason why we are talking about certain dogs and bitches today.
I am sure the Mohnwiese kennels loved Ronny taking Eros..........

Have a great weekend





 

THX !  Jenni78 ....................  because Dargo von der Thuringen Crowned Jewel DDR was a superior sport dog not police type !   TY !    Greg 

Popularity does matter.  The answers to this question are not just who are great dogs and great producers, but who's buying the offspring and competing with them.

darylehret .....................I totally agree with you .............. is with the larger percentage of people POPULARITY is the major decision  ..... being based on your statement as listed ...................  Regards ............ Greg

alkster Dargo Hajada.. not a sport dog,

I thought I add a few more bitches that have influenced the breed of today.

The most famous one I am sure is the foundation and breeding in the Tiekerhook kennels.

Anjov vom Tiekerhook had a daughter
Beauty vom Tiekerhook who had a daughter
Esthra v Tiekerhook......
Endi v Tiekerhook.......
Steffi v Tiekerhook, which had a son

Orry von haus Antverpa who had a son who was a also a WUSV champion
Querry v h Antverpa.....
Tom van't Leefdaalhof....
Eros v d Mohnweise....
Como vom Bonuer Weld....

As a mentioned before the Valkenplatz kennels seem to have great bitches building a foundation for their well deserved fame!

I suppose we could go on forever......thanks to Tiekerhook, Karthago, Antverpa, Mohnweise, Schiffslache, Stadtfeld etc......all these world famous kennels had great foundation bitches first. Mate them to great dogs from other great foundation bitches and job done !! Easy !! lol

I wish !

Just need the top 10 trainers in the world to have a pup from me, and people will be talking about my kennels and dogs in 10 years time.....any takers? lol

Have a great day !

Hello I am looking for a male pup from Ellute s line. Would you be breeding your female any time soon.  . I have always bought from Larry Hudson . But he is 74 and is no longer importing and breeding dogs. I would love a refural if you arent breeding  Your female is very beautiful!!Thank you Cindy Gehring vongehringhaus@gmail.com

For studs Tom are doing well like Fero,many many great dogs come out of and More recent Ellute/Eros,the B brothers,though Javir can produce well he can produce poorly also.Dogs bred on Top side of ped with Tom seem to match well with Yoscky bred on bottom end of the ped,throw in a little Pike and you come up with Como the world champ,It will be fun to see if Como can continue the line of GREATS,for Females I,m big fan of the Kathago females because they bring in the Stoppenberger blood she was one producing female that could carry great temperment over and over and over and over,dont even get me started on other great females