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by Jenni78 on 17 May 2011 - 19:05
Can't you just say you were wrong, Steve? Just once?
An invisible fence essentially TRAPS your dogs but lets ANYTHING else in to attack them. They're quite dangerous, especially in rural areas, and that's all anyone's concern is about. The poor dog who is probably having a lot of fun could become coyote bait easily. If she knows this and doesn't care, that's one thing. Forgive those of us who considered the possibility that she wasn't stupid, she'd just not realized this was so dangerous.
An invisible fence essentially TRAPS your dogs but lets ANYTHING else in to attack them. They're quite dangerous, especially in rural areas, and that's all anyone's concern is about. The poor dog who is probably having a lot of fun could become coyote bait easily. If she knows this and doesn't care, that's one thing. Forgive those of us who considered the possibility that she wasn't stupid, she'd just not realized this was so dangerous.
by Keith Grossman on 17 May 2011 - 19:05
"No one mentioned the Dog wearing a electric collar."
In the first post, the OP states that she has an underground fence for the dog. What would you imagine that to mean?
"Mr Grossman like the little boy you are because at times you do not act like a man should."
Ah, yes, the name calling...how predictable. When you're done telling us all how we mistreat our dogs and how you only do what's right by yours, how about you tell us what happened to Izzy?
In the first post, the OP states that she has an underground fence for the dog. What would you imagine that to mean?
"Mr Grossman like the little boy you are because at times you do not act like a man should."
Ah, yes, the name calling...how predictable. When you're done telling us all how we mistreat our dogs and how you only do what's right by yours, how about you tell us what happened to Izzy?
by Nancy on 17 May 2011 - 20:05
Wow so who has argued against keeping the dog in a large outside pen during the day.
Bottom line is that here in the states we still have predators that will hunt and kiill dogs and farmland is an attraction for them because of the abundant game animals and water sources in the farm area.
Add to that loose dogs that have packed up and kill livestock. Had a friend kill quite a few of those. Depends on who comes over and befriends the GSD who might join up, shock be damned.
As you must now know, underground fence is linked to an ecollar that shocks the dog when they go past and many dogs learn to run the fence. Electric fence can be a disincintive to a predator (multi wire) but you need to make it mult-wire (my friends dogs would handlily crawl under the efence she had for hor horses) and tall (figure a mountain lion (and we have even had one of those captured in rurual NC) can clear 6 feet.
I won't go out in the woods alone from dusk until dawn without another person and my dog wears a bell. Most predators run from people but some will stalk you (bobcats will follow you for miles, but I have not heard of any human attacks by a bobcat) --- Depends on where the OP lives as to what predators are out there...............
Honestly though, the reality is farm dogs are considered "expendable" by most country folks so if somehting happens, no big deal. :)
Bottom line is that here in the states we still have predators that will hunt and kiill dogs and farmland is an attraction for them because of the abundant game animals and water sources in the farm area.
Add to that loose dogs that have packed up and kill livestock. Had a friend kill quite a few of those. Depends on who comes over and befriends the GSD who might join up, shock be damned.
As you must now know, underground fence is linked to an ecollar that shocks the dog when they go past and many dogs learn to run the fence. Electric fence can be a disincintive to a predator (multi wire) but you need to make it mult-wire (my friends dogs would handlily crawl under the efence she had for hor horses) and tall (figure a mountain lion (and we have even had one of those captured in rurual NC) can clear 6 feet.
I won't go out in the woods alone from dusk until dawn without another person and my dog wears a bell. Most predators run from people but some will stalk you (bobcats will follow you for miles, but I have not heard of any human attacks by a bobcat) --- Depends on where the OP lives as to what predators are out there...............
Honestly though, the reality is farm dogs are considered "expendable" by most country folks so if somehting happens, no big deal. :)
by steve1 on 17 May 2011 - 20:05
Jenni
As i said i was not aware that the Fence was one way only, that i have said now three times, Yes a different kind of Fence should be used to keep other Animals from coming in Or a high enough Fenced off Paddock for the Dog to roam in
However you lot are akin to a pack of Coyotes when you get your teeth into someone But the funny thing is you are NEVER wrong yourselves, and when have you ever said you were wrong at no time have you ever and that is not aimed solely at you Jenni but others on here including Mr Grossman, You call what i say name calling , well to me that shows you to be still be in the juvenile stage of your life grow up because its about time you did.
What has Izzy got to do with this thread or any other for that matter,
However i have nothing to hide at all i have never said anything only to one person on this forum who knows why she left me because it is no ones business but mine and since when have you ever replied to anything i ever put on here about Izzy i can never recall you ever doing so only now she has gone, However she became insanely jealous of Gina and she was getting worse no matter what we did she was not having any of it, So one of the two had to go, and as it was my Dog causing the problem it was Izzy who had to leave,
Now i may as well finish it off, Izzy was 20 months old at the time, Daughter of the current WUSV champion. She had a Show Grade, S T, BH. AD DNA a1 normal hips and elbows, and very near ready for her ScH1,
YES' i sold her for money all 1100 USA dollars of it, and did i make any money out of her a bloody well NO; i did not far from it, so long as the little girl was happy again that is all i bothered about, Probably not the answer you wanted to here Mr Grossman perhaps you thought something more sinister related instead
I am probably a little soft with animals but not with my own kind Ruthless and without compassion in most cases. but now you Guys know what happened to her.
Mr Grossman you and i plus others on here will never agree or see eye to eye with me thats life But it is a Forum and you Guys on this thread are wrong in the way you have replied to the OP Perhaps she has made a mistake in the safety of the Dog from other animals but not the way the Dog is treated that is where you Guys are wrong and that is why i fought her corner. probably she did not need it
Steve1
As i said i was not aware that the Fence was one way only, that i have said now three times, Yes a different kind of Fence should be used to keep other Animals from coming in Or a high enough Fenced off Paddock for the Dog to roam in
However you lot are akin to a pack of Coyotes when you get your teeth into someone But the funny thing is you are NEVER wrong yourselves, and when have you ever said you were wrong at no time have you ever and that is not aimed solely at you Jenni but others on here including Mr Grossman, You call what i say name calling , well to me that shows you to be still be in the juvenile stage of your life grow up because its about time you did.
What has Izzy got to do with this thread or any other for that matter,
However i have nothing to hide at all i have never said anything only to one person on this forum who knows why she left me because it is no ones business but mine and since when have you ever replied to anything i ever put on here about Izzy i can never recall you ever doing so only now she has gone, However she became insanely jealous of Gina and she was getting worse no matter what we did she was not having any of it, So one of the two had to go, and as it was my Dog causing the problem it was Izzy who had to leave,
Now i may as well finish it off, Izzy was 20 months old at the time, Daughter of the current WUSV champion. She had a Show Grade, S T, BH. AD DNA a1 normal hips and elbows, and very near ready for her ScH1,
YES' i sold her for money all 1100 USA dollars of it, and did i make any money out of her a bloody well NO; i did not far from it, so long as the little girl was happy again that is all i bothered about, Probably not the answer you wanted to here Mr Grossman perhaps you thought something more sinister related instead
I am probably a little soft with animals but not with my own kind Ruthless and without compassion in most cases. but now you Guys know what happened to her.
Mr Grossman you and i plus others on here will never agree or see eye to eye with me thats life But it is a Forum and you Guys on this thread are wrong in the way you have replied to the OP Perhaps she has made a mistake in the safety of the Dog from other animals but not the way the Dog is treated that is where you Guys are wrong and that is why i fought her corner. probably she did not need it
Steve1
by vonissk on 17 May 2011 - 21:05
Well like Newbie, I will stick to my guns and what I believe in and what I think. I don't know anything about Europe but I do know about the USA specifically where I live. Not only are there coyotes here, there are also bobcats and mountain lions. Also I don't know about the laws in others' states but the law is here if a dog is chasing livestock, a person can legally no questions asked, shoot the dog. That translates to, if I am raising feeder calves and I see the neighbor's dog in my pasture, I can no questions asked shoot their dog. Not only that, we are living in some sad strange times--just like recently someone posted a thread on the general side about a policeman shooting a GSD for approaching him whereas the Golden lived. And to top it all off there are plenty of theives and dognappers out there. And it can all happen in a second without anyone having time to look out the window. And even if they did look out the window and the dog was gone it might be hours before they knew the dog was really gone--they might think he was in the barn or out of sight. So whether any one thinks it is right or wrong to keep a dog in the house or SAFELY in a crate while they are gone to work, shopping or whatever, it's truly because they love their dog. Whether it is a working, sport, show or just a much loved pet, WE are responsible for them and that means keeping them confined and safe. Just like you would a child. As far as where the OP lives, I believe it is Michigan. Altho I have never been there I do read and watch tv and it's my understanding there is a lot of acerage there and lots and lots of wildlife. Yep sticking to it, it's wrong and very irresponsible the way the dog is being kept. Period.......
by Bob McKown on 17 May 2011 - 23:05
Steve:
You don,t have to answer to anyone here about your dog I,m sure what ever you had to do was in Izzy,s best interest in the long run. Yes there are those here that if they can,t make a valid point they have to try to make up some type of sinister theme a foot in the end it makes them look ignorant. It,s lack of character and easily spotted.
For me I probably would not leave my dog alone on a farm with a underground fence. I live in the country and see first hand what wild animals can do to a domestic animal. But it,s not my dog so i hope it works out well for the dog. I,d like the owner to reconsider and make sure when no one is close that the dog would be kenneled securely as I,ve seen first hand coyotes and especially coydogs go right thru chain link to get what they want.
by sueincc on 17 May 2011 - 23:05
I suspect there is more going on here than meets the eye with regards to the apartment, a difficult situation for the OP too. Obvously this is less than ideal for both ShepherdWoman and her dog, but it sounds like she's trying to figure out a way to keep the dog safe and sound, until she can move on to the property.
If it were me, ShepherdWoman, I would have my dog in a secure kennel and large run (covered to keep out climbers), on the property, which would not only protect him from the coyotes and other critters/humans who may come onto your property, but would protect him from himself and any mischief he may get into that might get him injured or killed if/when he figures out how to get past the underground fence.
P.S. I agree with Beautiful Bob's post above mine. I also agree with Sexy Steve1, there is nothing wrong with keeping dogs in kennels, in fact it's healthy for them.
If it were me, ShepherdWoman, I would have my dog in a secure kennel and large run (covered to keep out climbers), on the property, which would not only protect him from the coyotes and other critters/humans who may come onto your property, but would protect him from himself and any mischief he may get into that might get him injured or killed if/when he figures out how to get past the underground fence.
P.S. I agree with Beautiful Bob's post above mine. I also agree with Sexy Steve1, there is nothing wrong with keeping dogs in kennels, in fact it's healthy for them.
by Keith Grossman on 18 May 2011 - 03:05
"Yes there are those here that if they can,t make a valid point they have to try to make up some type of sinister theme a foot in the end it makes them look ignorant. It,s lack of character and easily spotted."
Are you implying that I didn't have a valid point in our conversation the other day, Bob? How, exactly does it impugn my character to tell the truth?
Are you implying that I didn't have a valid point in our conversation the other day, Bob? How, exactly does it impugn my character to tell the truth?
by troublelinx on 18 May 2011 - 03:05
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by steve1 on 18 May 2011 - 05:05
Bob
Do you believe me when i say i have never seen such a fence as described here. I guess there is not much call for it over where i am or where i moved from, I have already said in my last post the OP should do something and one suggestion is to make a secure compound as cheap as possible on the Fathers part of the property It does not have to be a huge one,
The OP does not say how long will be before she builds her house unless i have missed that.
Mr Grossman
Okay i did as you asked and i told you about what happened to Izzy, I know you did not expect me to and you were trying to make something out of it which was not there and i guess you are disappointed it was not something really nasty not to the Dog but on my side, otherwise you would not have bought it up.
However i went to bed after i posted that post time zone you know, You have been told but you cannot bring yourself to comment on it WHY' are you that shallow a person not to even reply to it, I was expecting a flood of advice from your expertise and from a few others of what i should have done to remedy it
I knew eventually it would be bought up on this forum and at the time i had told one person. However i made a grave mistake in bringing Izzys progress or lack of depends which way the Guys thought about it to the fore on this site,
It will not happen with Gina. no more will be put on here regards how she does or will i mention the new Pup when i pick it up in July you have done that much for it seems people like you will be waiting for something to go wrong.
However some people on this site were genuinely interested in the way Izzy developed.
it shared a little bit of Europe with them and the ways we handle dogs perhaps a little different to there own of which many would never know if it was not bought up as in izzy's case.
But you never commented once on any part of her up bringing on here, But you are the first to push as to what happened to her thinking something really bad took place i guess trying to make me look bad or worse, or whatever motive you had for bringing it up,
IT DID she has gone.
Steve1
Do you believe me when i say i have never seen such a fence as described here. I guess there is not much call for it over where i am or where i moved from, I have already said in my last post the OP should do something and one suggestion is to make a secure compound as cheap as possible on the Fathers part of the property It does not have to be a huge one,
The OP does not say how long will be before she builds her house unless i have missed that.
Mr Grossman
Okay i did as you asked and i told you about what happened to Izzy, I know you did not expect me to and you were trying to make something out of it which was not there and i guess you are disappointed it was not something really nasty not to the Dog but on my side, otherwise you would not have bought it up.
However i went to bed after i posted that post time zone you know, You have been told but you cannot bring yourself to comment on it WHY' are you that shallow a person not to even reply to it, I was expecting a flood of advice from your expertise and from a few others of what i should have done to remedy it
I knew eventually it would be bought up on this forum and at the time i had told one person. However i made a grave mistake in bringing Izzys progress or lack of depends which way the Guys thought about it to the fore on this site,
It will not happen with Gina. no more will be put on here regards how she does or will i mention the new Pup when i pick it up in July you have done that much for it seems people like you will be waiting for something to go wrong.
However some people on this site were genuinely interested in the way Izzy developed.
it shared a little bit of Europe with them and the ways we handle dogs perhaps a little different to there own of which many would never know if it was not bought up as in izzy's case.
But you never commented once on any part of her up bringing on here, But you are the first to push as to what happened to her thinking something really bad took place i guess trying to make me look bad or worse, or whatever motive you had for bringing it up,
IT DID she has gone.
Steve1
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