WUSV/GSDL BRITISH REGIONAL CHAMPION - Page 7

Have to agree that the word british should be dropped maybe call them BRG Champion so at least everyone will know it is not a KC Champion.
Jim h

And as far as i am concerned no suggestions from annonymous people should be accepted, just my opinion
jim h

The title "British Champion" is clear, precise and states exactly what it is.

It will also resonate clearly with the British Public and onlookers from around the World

if one must add further clarification, them by all means add BRG in front, = "BRG British Champion"

The "British Sieger" clearly identifies the Sieger at our annual British Sieger Show.

To state there may be some confusion between the words "Champion" and "Sieger" is ridiculous in the extreme

It appears that PRO KC individuals are sowing their own seeds of confusion for their own agenda. Perhaps because they fear the implications to their "beloved KC CC status" which they retained by signing the "infamous KC Undertaking" - fearful for their future status.

Now the GSDL/WUSV BRG are developing their very own status by introducing "Championship" status to their "Regional Events" - which will obviously place the KC CC's and Championship Shows into an obviously inferior perspective. They simply will not be able to compare with a Champion Title gained under very meaningful and clear health requirements.

For these very reasons we must ensure we use in our Champion title the words "BRITISH CHAMPION"

Well maybe everyone should, as Alyson says, just send in their suggestions (anonymously or otherwise !) you too Videx, and include their thoughts and suggestions on the title if they feel it's relevant.

Abby, you never fail to surprise me with your naivety.

What am I being naive about now?

If people want a system whereby they can aspire to the title of 'Champion' (or anything else you want to call a dog which has accumulated so many points or won so many shows) for their dog there is nothing wrong with that. However, when the top national title for best GSD is Sieger or Siegerin what does the addition of the word 'British' before the word 'Champion' imply other than that it is a national title and that a dog which holds it is the national champion?

Indeed, I venture to say it is rather worse than that. After all, Joe Public knows what the word champion means. He does not necessarily know what the word Sieger means. What do you think Joe Public is going to think the title 'British Champion' means? He is going to take it to mean that a dog which holds the title 'British Champion' is the best GSD in the country. He is not going to know that there many be many 'British Champions' and that the best GSD in the country is the Sieger. Clearly the intention is to give special recognition to dogs which do well over many shows. That is fine but do not give them a title which implies that they hold a title won at a national show and which implies that the holder of the title is the best dog in the country.

Do the Germans have a Sieger and a 'German Champion'? Does anyone else? Of course, not. And the reason is obvious. The addition of the word 'British' before the proposed title implies something which only the winner of the national show is entitled to.

Peterlee, I can see your point, it could be a bit misleading.  

The word British in front of Champion does imply that a dog has competed against and beaten every other GSD shown in the UK. Champion on it's own does not make a distinction between KC Champion and the GSDL/WUSV Champion. 

Surely the most obvious title for the new award would be the same as the title of this thread. It includes the word British but balances that with the word Regional, removing the notion that it is a 'national' title. That works for me.

The Sieger/Siegerin can only be achieved by dogs with working titles, which therefore excludes those dogs which have none and so cannot compete for the Sieger title.   I can see the reason for it's introduction, as in the UK working titles are not a route that many exhibitors wish to go, or are restricted from going due to lack of facilities.

There has been a lot of proposals put down here on a public forum - which is good in itself, but this is not the format the Working Group has asked to be used to get your points put over to the BRG.

If you have a comment please help us to collate ALL points of view and  e-mail it to Shirley or Brigid, or post it to Shirley. 

peterlee your comments presume a great deal. You appear overly concerned about the BRG introducing the title of Champion and only wish they would stick with the British Sieger title. A Kennel Club desire no doubt, because they fear competition with their outdated and hugely over rated show system which has absolutely NO health screening minimum requirements.

It is clear that some Kennel Club "devotees" want to keep an "edge" over the GSDL/WUSV System, and that "edge" is the Kennel Club CC's and the title Champion. The reason being is because WHEN the title "Champion" is introduced into the GSDL/WUSV System, the public will VERY QUICKLY identify the difference it has with the KC Champion - MEANINGFUL HEALTH MEASUREMENTS. This will make a HUGE difference to the British public and the the British GSD Show Scene and to the British GSD Exhibitors.

When pro Kennel Club people try and push their agenda of retaining their imagined supremacy of the Kennel Club CC's, it make me absolutely more certain of the necessity for the GSDL/WUSV System to quickly introduce their very own meaningful Championship System.

Abby, your naivety is that you could imagine for more than one second that I would not have already sent my views in.