Was 2011 a good Sieger Show or a Bad Sieger Show? - Page 4

This is the first about German Shepherds male protection service in SV BSZS 2011 BUNDESSIEGERZUCHTSCHAU in Nurnberg. We were taking videos from 8.50 till 16.30. We saw and took HD videos of 170 tests.
We'll be glad if these videos are interesting and useful to all GSD fans!
Irina and Sergey Kuznetsovs, Moscow, Russia.


 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btVaLHib5tM

 

VA 3 1052 Ustinov vom Römerland
Peter Send Viernheim D
Ausgepragt, laßt ab

VA 5 1276 Nino von Tronje
Nikolaus Meßler Köln D
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VA 7 1256 Mentos vom Osterberger-Land
Dirk Wortmann Lotte D
Ausgepragt, laßt ab

VA 8 1018 Peik vom Holtkämper Hof
Jörg Niedergassel Bielefeld D
Ausgepragt, laßt ab

VA 10 1096 Hagadahls Figo
Marc van Hout Brecht B
Ausgepragt, laßt ab

VA 11 1049 Guccy vom Heinrichplatz
Jürgen Manser Wiesloch D
Ausgepragt, laßt ab

VA 12 1250 Ballack zur Worringer Rheinaue
Bruno Itter Köln D
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In my last post I wrote about the lack of work ethic in the progeny of Zamp and it got me thinking about the introduction of a working dog to a mating with show dogs. Before everyone throws up their hands and says “Oh no” take a look at Neck v d Wolfen and his sire. Both dogs have very good construction and good strong grey colour but more important this bloodline may bring back some of the character and workability that is being lost. Remember not all of the litter would be grey. The working qualifications of these two males and the rest of the animals behind them speak volumes. Although I have not researched all working dogs in writing this post I do think that this could be a building block to restoring the very thing that we are losing - strength of character. There will of course be others but I hope that this post gets people thinking and I would be interested in reading comments.

Mackenzie

 

Thankyou Irina.
I enjoyed going last year and so hoped you were going to video again this year. 

Thank you Irina, I was hoping that your videos would be here again!

Mackenzie, I believe that quite a number of  SL have now been mated with Neck over the last couple of years for exactly the reasons you describe.  I have seen photo's and some video of one litter, who looked to be turning out quite nicely. I wonder whether they will ever be shown in a conformation ring though. I know of one breeder who kept a pup back from a litter saying that she would have to sacrifice showing. So, knowing that the modern type of SL is the only type that wins, a breeder of this type of litter knows that the dog is not going to get placed at shows, and will therefore forfeit showing (so the attributes/benefits of such a breeding will likely never be 'seen'). It's a catch 22.

The breeders who are doing this are people who certainly have the interest of the breed at heart, but must be willing to sacrifice any reward in the show ring. Some of these breeders have no interest in showing anyway, but appear to be striving to regain a dog that embodies the 'universal' GSD.

Mackensie, DSHlerner, and AandA,....Thank you for an intelligent disussion about the show lines that was informing and balanced. The fact that you tactfully pointed out some pitfalls, suggested some remedies, objectively assessed some dogs, is a welcome relief from the moronic pom-pom people who only see the good and refuse to acknowledge, much less act on obvious faults. This has been very refreshing to read...the good and the bad....because only if we acknowledge both can we ever hope to improve....Bravo!

Thanks Irina and Sergey you are great

Ibrahim

AndA, hello, very happy to see you posting again, do make your posts more often though

Ibrahim

dshleerner 

Regarding Tell,he did leave us the F litter vom Hirschel,with Fanto of course being 2X Sieger. Fanto produced better females however,and so his influence was shown most notably through his daughters( VA Lusie>Brigitt>VA Betty,and VA Biggie.Also,Lusie >Alin> VA Magit,who produced Pirie v.Haus Dexel,the dam of VA Orbit,for example). In addition,Frei vom Hirschel was a known producer of excellent temperment and good working drives,as evidenced by his best son Amigo vom Belgier,who in turn left us VA Quartz dei Templari,et al.
Another dog who was highly touted years ago,was VA Ajax vom Haller Osning. Being the "best" son of VA Fando,one would have thought that he too would have been a top producer,especially given the genetics on his motherline that proceeded to Uran over Warro vom Huhnegrab,and the prolific producer Frenzi von der Steinhagerquelle ! Unfortunately,Ajax did not prove to be a dominant sire,with his highest rated offspring in the GHKL being a Kirschental bitch who,I believe was V25 at the Sieger Show some years ago.


I am happy to see we have another Gustav here  with us, some of the best posted recently on this forum, thanks.

Ibrahim

I'm the same Gustav....lol....just glad to see informative dialogue.

Yes Sir, pardone my English, what I meant is dishlerner's post reminds me of your posts, and I took the liberty to call him another Gustav, you know how much I appreciate the wealth of info in your posts which I wish to see more of  all the time.

Ibrahim