Was 2011 a good Sieger Show or a Bad Sieger Show? - Page 8

Good post Gustav and I am in agreement with you. For many breeders the fact is that they have too many dogs to give enough attention to one or two individuals to achieve more. Also, they do not have the inclination to do more than they are doing now. The driving engine of the breed has become money with as little effort as possible. Money = give them what that want and make them pay through the nose = lots of litters.

I never mention working dogs for sport in any of my posts. I prefer to think of the working dog in this breed as an animal who can perform at a satisfactorily level in whatever discipline brings out the best in the animal and, this depends on the training skill of the owner/handler/trainer. Anatomical structure is important in any working breed that can be considered a true working dog and I think that more effort should be made on both sides of the fence to achieve the desired proportions. I live in hope and for the genuine faithful of the breed I wish them every success on what is a long and painful road.

It is true there are more show dogs than working dogs, however, most of the working side are sport dogs. The show dogs that we see today have become the success of one man’s dream. Hermann Martin. He was first Bundeszuchtwart for many years and then became President. For many years he promoted females who would suit the type of dog that he wanted and, once President he could use the males to fulfill his ideals. This was also the time that seriously big money came to the fore. The money from the sale of three dogs, Uran v Wildsteiger Land, Eiko v Kirschental and Yago v Wildsteiger Land was staggering and the question is “how did one small breeder become so successful”. Other top dogs were also sold for top dollar but in the beginning the big money was only within a select group. Why did all the Top Judges and Kormeisters not make a bigger noise about what was happening. When they questioned the President about one Sieger the only response was “because he is the best dog”. Nobody, as far as I know, questioned that response.

The show dogs of today also have a very short career. We do not see many males being shown at say 6 and 7 years of age. I remember in 1981 Natan v Peltztierfarm made Sieger and repeated this the following year. He went to challenge for Sieger a third time in 1983 and made VA3 just before his seventh birthday. Comparing Natan with the dogs we see today it is easy to note the difference against today’s dogs.

Finally, Gustav makes the point that Shirley is showline biased but at least she has tried and in her response she says that she did not have the time to continue. Why that was the case is her business and could be related to something other than dogs. She has no need to be more specific.

Mackenzie

 

Thanks Mackenzie,
I am not passing judgement on anyone....it is what it is. I have stopped preaching to deaf ears...I just state facts. But I do know the principle of insanity,(breeding the same genetic animals to the same genetic animals and hope for a different result), is in play here and nothing will change from year to year unless different genetic dogs are introduced.....fifth straight year I have said this and everything is the same as the year before.
Take care!

After 3429 viewing of this thread nothing of real substance has been forthcoming about the subject matter. I think that dshlerner was absolutely right when he said people were just not interested. How complacent can people be to think that everything is OK.

I have no more to add to this thread other than to thank all of the contributors who have engaged on here in a very amicable and polite manner and I think that that probably is the best thing to come from this thread and shows that it can be done.

Many thanks to everyone

Mackenzie

 

When I said I in my last post that “I had no more to add to this post” I was unaware of something that I discovered after making this statement.

One of the males from this years Sieger show has in his pedigree, subject to this being correct, four males known to produce epilepsy. I have no evidence to say whether this has bred on to today but as it is inherited there may be a possibility. Who knows?

It is possible that the disease may have bred out but nevertheless these dogs are there in the background for all to see. I have not made this up to attract more readers to stimulate this post. Nobody told me about it, I stumbled upon it because of my own suspicions. I leave it to all afficionado’s and otherwise disinterested parties to make their own research. They will get no help from me.

Mackenzie

 

They could have polio and as long as they can be sold overseas...they will be bred and sold....SSDD.

You are right Gustav.   Epilepsy has been continually swept under the carpet in a cloud of secrecy.  The dogs that I have discovered were continually used at stud following the discovery in their offspring.  Four different dogs in one bloodline cannot help but transmit on.

Mackenzie

So many viewings and so few responses (less than 2%) and so little to contribute.  Where is the breed heading?

Mackenzie