Milo's Necropsy Report - Page 17

I wasn't referring to you, Keith. Next time I see one of those threads, I'll pm  you. I can't post it here or it will get deleted and I'll be threatened with being banned  for stalking and picking on them.

Ok...just checking...I think I've been pretty consistent in this respect.  No need to PM me...I'm sure I've seen some of those threads.

AKC does not consider a long coat a fault, the GSDCA does. The parent clubs write the standards and their members vote on them. AKC only reviews breed standards to make sure they are in compliance with their rules and regulations. The AKC breed standard mirrors that of the FCI, they are virtually the same. The GSDCA may one day approve long coats for the conformation ring, but I wouldn't look for that to happen anytime soon. It took the SV many years to establish a LC class so I don't thik we should expect the GSDCA to move any faster.

Longcoats can be shown in all AKC venues other than conformation.

I'm sure you have too :).

JonRob,

have you ever trialed dogs and titled dogs, taken them out of your parent club and traveled to get that title? I  don't care about the points...

Why are you referring to Phase C as a deal breaker, "sleeve biting" dogs as you call it?

Tracking: yah, modified, stupid blah blah  blah... this phase can show the dog's  ability to use nose and problem solving. if on a very shitty surface, it shows a lot about the dog's work ethics!

Obedience: the willingness to work for a handler, to please the handler and to work on mutual understanding. If your dog sucks, you suck at this too because you haven't figured your dog out!

Protection can show the dog's true mental state, confidence and drives! What I look at is the control work in a strong dog, that really SHOWS me a lot about the dog/handler relationship.

If you know how to read a dog, you can have a nice clear picture.. if not, then you just refer to phase C sleeve biting and justifying why you are too blinded to get out there and do something more than make excuses why people breed untitled dogs.


About a month ago somebody asked me on the phone if there is a line of GSD that does not shed, and bark and is not as active.. WTF?
If you dont want to have a GSD with the good and bad traints, get a labradoodle or something else that does not shed, english bulldogge is lazy and Basenji does not bark! make your pick but leave my breed alone!

Keith if you think a Golden Retriever is anything like the kind of GSD most of us want you have no idea what we think the ideal GSD is. And a GSD who doesn’t take a chunk out of some klutz who steps on his tail doesn’t lack defense drive. He’s got good judgment. A GSD who gets all wound up about an accidental tail step is an idiot. Good judgment is one of the things that makes the GSD special.

Do you think it was defense drive when I saw a fancy showlines GSD snarl and lunge trying to bite a disabled girl that had to walk by jerking her legs along? I’ll never forget the look in her eyes when she saw even the dog hated her because she was different. I don’t ever want a GSD like that. Ever.

I think the breed founder would have been proud as hell of GSD guide dogs that can’t get a SchH title because they won’t bite just because someone told them to. That quote of his everyone is always hollering about says please make sure the GSD remains a working dog not please make sure he’s a sport dog. If you want to know whether a GSD will work do some real work with him. Being able to do a real job is the standard that matters to me. And being a super family and companion dog is a real job.

Mike if you had got your beautiful new pup from some showlines breeder that had ribbons up the wazoo and did SchH instead of herding and agility and had the same contract as Patchwork, everyone would be falling all over themselves telling you what a great pup you have. Don’t think you caused the slugfest because if it wasn’t this it would be something else. Lots of people here would love to see pics of Rocco and your new guy and hear about how they’re doing. And good job with the ripoffreport.

Thanks to some of you for saying you liked my posts. I don’t post much but this thing was just too much.

Thanks for the explaination:) any thought of ever getting involved has been put to rest, I have never read so much negative, I'll just carry on with training for my three stunning German Shepherds with a personal trainer.

"leave my breed alone!"
 
We’re not going to do that GSDPACK. The blind people with GSD guide dogs are going to keep loving them and honoring them, and they’ll make sure their next guide dog is a GSD.  The old guys and old ladies at the nursing homes and the sick kids at the hospitals will still light up with joy when the GSD therapy dogs come around. The families with babies and toddlers crawling all over their GSDs while the dogs wag their tails won’t be giving up their GSDs anytime soon. The rancher whose GSD rounds up his sheep and chased off the bull that tried to kill him won't take too kindly to anyone who tells him he has no right to have a GSD. The lady with the GSD who loves every living thing including kittens but he saved her life when a thug put a knife to her throat, well she’ll be keeping her GSD too. They'll all be hanging on to their GSDs even if they don't have SchH titles.
 
The GSD doesn’t belong just to you GSDPACK. He belongs to all of us.

Again, a great post, JonRob!

A GSD that will try to attack a handicapped girl or take a chunk out of someone for stepping on its tail is JUST as responsible for the decline in the breed as someone who breeds with no regard for working ability. Many of us would like to see the GSD restored to its former status as the #1 service dog, but it's issues with temperament that have caused it to be replaced by golden retrievers and labs.

"Keith if you think a Golden Retriever is anything like the kind of GSD most of us want you have no idea what we think the ideal GSD is."

What you 'think' the ideal GSD is and what it really is are two completely different things.  I maintain that you, and this is true of most people, have no business owning a real German Shepherd Dog.

"And a GSD who doesn’t take a chunk out of some klutz who steps on his tail doesn’t lack defense drive. He’s got good judgment. A GSD who gets all wound up about an accidental tail step is an idiot. Good judgment is one of the things that makes the GSD special."

LMAO...judgement...they're dogs, not Supreme Court justices.  While your dog is busy 'judging' mine is reacting to neutralize a perceived threat.

"Do you think it was defense drive when I saw a fancy showlines GSD snarl and lunge trying to bite a disabled girl that had to walk by jerking her legs along? I’ll never forget the look in her eyes when she saw even the dog hated her because she was different. I don’t ever want a GSD like that. Ever."

It is more likely that the dog you saw reacting this way was the result of breeding without regard to temperament, i.e., the type of breeding you advocate, rather than the other way around.  Schutzhund, or any other discipline, provides a means for testing a dog's mental stability under stress.  People who do no such testing are breeding dogs of unknown temperament and typically produce the kind of spooks you describe.

My dog, who you imply above is an idiot, spent 10 hours in Super Bowl village the Friday before the game in a crowd that swelled to over 30,000 people, dogs, horses, kids, strollers, lights, noise, music, etc.  That is a testament to the stabilty of his temperament; walking cuddles through your local farmer's market is not.

"I think the breed founder would have been proud as hell of GSD guide dogs that can’t get a SchH title because they won’t bite just because someone told them to. That quote of his everyone is always hollering about says please make sure the GSD remains a working dog not please make sure he’s a sport dog. If you want to know whether a GSD will work do some real work with him. Being able to do a real job is the standard that matters to me."

While I will admit that different dogs with different temperaments are often best suited for different types of work, the dog doesn't care what the job is.  A dog will either work or it won't. 

"And being a super family and companion dog is a real job."

Well, there you go; I guess that makes a Bichon a working dog!  You should get one!

"Mike if you had got your beautiful new pup from some showlines breeder that had ribbons up the wazoo and did SchH instead of herding and agility and had the same contract as Patchwork, everyone would be falling all over themselves telling you what a great pup you have."

What are you talking about?  I see no indication that either of the dogs used to produce this litter has any sort of herding or agility title.  Hell, the female hasn't even been OFA'ed!