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by Hundmutter on 12 July 2012 - 06:07
Not just a States problem, there's a massive downturn in Show attendance and numbers entered across the UK, same
problems with affordibility, same sorts of gimmicky suggestions to get people back. Similar accusations of face-judging,
appointment swapping etc. Across all breeds, not just GSDs. Would be interesting to hear whether this is also becoming
true in the rest of the world - do those countries with some dog-showing history find it is happening to their scene, too ?
problems with affordibility, same sorts of gimmicky suggestions to get people back. Similar accusations of face-judging,
appointment swapping etc. Across all breeds, not just GSDs. Would be interesting to hear whether this is also becoming
true in the rest of the world - do those countries with some dog-showing history find it is happening to their scene, too ?
by dantes on 12 July 2012 - 16:07
Euroshepherd wrote..
I've seen much worse cow hocks, so this dog is certainly not cow-hocked to the max, to accurately judge if a dog is truly cow hocked it must be seen while the dog is gaiting. Nor is the croup wrong, actually it is a very good looking lay of croup, especially for an ASL, the dog's angulation is rather moderate for an ASL. I highly doubt you see dogs like this regularly in the pound.
Well, we differ. I see a very average animal that I wouldn't want to own. Heavy in appearance (some of that could be coat, I suppose) , weak pasterns, bizarre hocks and, as it is unlikely to be an effective WORKING animal (let's not forget what a GSD is SUPPOSED to be...) I could see no reason to own it when it also fails to be even decorative!
Could be a great dog, I'm sure someone loves it, but in those shots it looks pretty mediocre.
However, I know that any dog, or person for that matter, can look bad in an unguarded moment!
I've seen much worse cow hocks, so this dog is certainly not cow-hocked to the max, to accurately judge if a dog is truly cow hocked it must be seen while the dog is gaiting. Nor is the croup wrong, actually it is a very good looking lay of croup, especially for an ASL, the dog's angulation is rather moderate for an ASL. I highly doubt you see dogs like this regularly in the pound.
Well, we differ. I see a very average animal that I wouldn't want to own. Heavy in appearance (some of that could be coat, I suppose) , weak pasterns, bizarre hocks and, as it is unlikely to be an effective WORKING animal (let's not forget what a GSD is SUPPOSED to be...) I could see no reason to own it when it also fails to be even decorative!
Could be a great dog, I'm sure someone loves it, but in those shots it looks pretty mediocre.
However, I know that any dog, or person for that matter, can look bad in an unguarded moment!
by FerrumGSDs on 12 July 2012 - 18:07
Thanks Blitzen, So, they could not make it from one show to the other in time? ( I imagine they could not)
by Blitzen on 12 July 2012 - 19:07
Both shows were at the same site, Ferrum. A few all-breed AKC shows are held back-to-back too; the same day, same site.
by FerrumGSDs on 12 July 2012 - 21:07
Yes Blitzen,
This back to back is done in order to atract handlers and exhibitors to fly or drive in from far away bringing in entries, but I thought you said they were 150 miles apart? ( You mean the clubs are registered 150m apart)
Entries are down in my opinion for many reasons. I'm not sure if you have limits on how many schH, ring or work events can be held, but the AKC does limit how many shows you can have. ( 2 for a specialty club) here at least members wanted them back to back. I never saw a GSD that did not get shipped to a handler get an AKC CH title ever. Several had all majors, many were pointed and never acheived CH because no money was placed behind them to ship them around.
When I was active, show owners wanted more shows but the AKC always denied these and asked the club to hold more obedience events instead. A wonderful thing about the SV system as well as the FCI system is the ratings. You can get a V rating from a prestigous judge even if you have a small entry but the entry deserves it. They also have the power to give lesser ratings. It lets you know how good your dog is in the opinion of each judge. How complicated is it to have a SchH club I wonder.
This back to back is done in order to atract handlers and exhibitors to fly or drive in from far away bringing in entries, but I thought you said they were 150 miles apart? ( You mean the clubs are registered 150m apart)
Entries are down in my opinion for many reasons. I'm not sure if you have limits on how many schH, ring or work events can be held, but the AKC does limit how many shows you can have. ( 2 for a specialty club) here at least members wanted them back to back. I never saw a GSD that did not get shipped to a handler get an AKC CH title ever. Several had all majors, many were pointed and never acheived CH because no money was placed behind them to ship them around.
When I was active, show owners wanted more shows but the AKC always denied these and asked the club to hold more obedience events instead. A wonderful thing about the SV system as well as the FCI system is the ratings. You can get a V rating from a prestigous judge even if you have a small entry but the entry deserves it. They also have the power to give lesser ratings. It lets you know how good your dog is in the opinion of each judge. How complicated is it to have a SchH club I wonder.
by magdalenasins on 12 July 2012 - 21:07
He's not fat, he's big coated. *rolls eyes* :P
by fawndallas on 12 July 2012 - 22:07
"I'm not fat. I'm just fluffy." 
Sorry, but magdalenasnis started it.
Sorry, but magdalenasnis started it.
by Blitzen on 12 July 2012 - 23:07
Does this coat make me look fat, Abe?
Ferrum, I started showing in the early 70's when there were fewer AKC sanctioned all breed clubs too. We had to hold 2 matches (OB and conformation) a year to keep our show approval status. No club was ever approved for more than 1 show a year, no 2 shows allowed within 300 or was it 400 miles of another, no 2 shows at the same site,and an independent breed specialty show was unheard of. Entries were $7.00 for puppies, $10.00 for all other classes Considering the current price of entries, handler's fees, and gas I guess it's a good thing for the exhibitors that multiple shows are held at the same site.
Ferrum, I started showing in the early 70's when there were fewer AKC sanctioned all breed clubs too. We had to hold 2 matches (OB and conformation) a year to keep our show approval status. No club was ever approved for more than 1 show a year, no 2 shows allowed within 300 or was it 400 miles of another, no 2 shows at the same site,and an independent breed specialty show was unheard of. Entries were $7.00 for puppies, $10.00 for all other classes
Considering the current price of entries, handler's fees, and gas I guess it's a good thing for the exhibitors that multiple shows are held at the same site.
by vonissk on 13 July 2012 - 00:07
I'm sorry to disagree but the last speciality I went to--May 2011==had 5 shows in 3 days--2 each day and one on the last day. Do you mean only 2 shows a day? Well that's all they would have time for if it is an outside show....................BTW this was in Oklahoma City.
by joanro on 13 July 2012 - 02:07
The Collie club of America, held independent breed specialty shows in the late sixties in Anaheim, so did GSD Club of Northern Ca. Golden Gate Kennel Club and Santa Clara Kennel Club, also Sacramento Kennel Club have been approved for two shows a year for at least forty years. Maybe Fla was different.
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