do you believe yr east/czech peds - Page 2

I have bought a lot of Eastern European puppies over the years and have helped others acquire quite a few based strictly on pedigrees, now I am not saying this doesn't occur in all countries, but I must say that everyone of these pups demonstrated the primary traits the pedigree told me they would possess. So maybe I have been lucky, hey but if that works for me....I'll take it.

The DDR and Czech Republic ( then Czechoslovakia) had their own breed associations...

You will see in the older pedigrees dogs had thir unique DDR number and others had an SZ number (West German) under the SV....

The DDR dogs had stringent evaluations done on them...their males carried the line and these males were tested before being used for breeding..
Some truly amazing dogs came out of that breeding program....



It is low, rather low to discredit those countries and their truly amazing dogs....






aaykay................




Well said........you have made some valid points...
Whether aaykay originates from there OR not is irrelevant to the topic...

I would say it would be AFTER THE WALL CAME DOWN.... If any of it is true. Gotta remember its been 25yrs now.

"I believe the East side kept extremely detailed records, down to the minutest point of measuring the size of the chest, the size of the head, the side of the forepaws etc of the individuals that were used (and re-used as necessary) in their breeding programs, and also that of the resultant progeny as they were born, and the detailed records continued to be maintained as the progeny were raised.....enforced via tight governmentally controlled programs."

LMAO!  The same government who couldn't quite manage to keep track of their nuclear weapons?  Uh, yeah, ok...

Aadilah, I agree that it is disrespectful to descredit the accomplishments of the east block. However, unless you really lived there you cant know what was truly going on and how things worked back then. Whoever vk4gsd refers to, is at least partially right. Paperwork was very detailed, testing was done very to the point. The Wertmessziffersysthem was much better and actual said something about the dog. But it has happened that a bitch had 6 pups and 8 pups got papers and where listed under that bitch. Money and favors went a long way back then. So yes, your dogs pedigree might not be absolutely correct some generations ago. DNA testing didnt exist then; and today 23 years later one cant proof it anymore.

The SZ 900- numbers are substitute numbers (for whatever reasons) given out after Germany was reunited. And only a relative small percentage would go for military or police purpose. Most of the dogs were your typical family dogs that worked on the farm and watched your home and property in the villages.

Keith FYI: Czechoslovakia nor any other "Eastern block " country does not have nuclear weapons. Only Soviet Union does and I do not think anybody is talking about dogs from Soviet Union here. As far as records Aaykay is talking about  and he is referring to
" z Pohranicni straze" program where that  was done as he describes. This program involved thousands of dogs. It is part of Jiri Novotny's and mine seminars.  I am posting such list below where you can see the measurements of wrist , chest and so on on the bottom line. 
As far as saying that E. block records are worthless is idiotic and akin of saying that all E dogs die of cancer at 6 yeas and are all dysplastic, which I have heard several time from breeders of WG lines and others who repeated it and it is also idiotic. This is basically perpetuated by WG sellers and importers and it is laughable.  And Elkoorr, yes I have lived there. And Yes I know that. And yes there are fakes everywhere and No in DNA age it is not done. Are there red herrings ? Of course! You can find red herrings anywhere/ in any country , but blanket statements like that are , well as I said , idiotic.  .
Prager Hans 

"Keith Czechoslovakia nor any other "Eastern block " country does not have nuclear weapons. Only Soviet Union does and I do not think anybody is talking about dogs from Soviet Union here."

Virtually all of the Eastern Bloc countries were Soviet satellite states whose governments, police and press were under the de-facto control of the Soviets.

We have a saying " It's a goat even it could fly" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keith.
OK. So what ? The satellites did not control nuclear weapons, as you are stating.  Also culture of different countries is more important then who controls whom.  Czech was under a Germany for 300 years and thus the cultures as far as keeping records are quite similar if not identical. Also Austro - Hungarian empire and its Metternich  bureaucracy system created anal retentive and thus almost crippling record keeping bureaucratic  system which is ingrained in DNA of these nations.  Americans are blessed that they are not  victims of such system to a degree Czech, Germany, Austria  and so on are. However for Americans to criticize  the record keeping system of Czech as not sufficient  is really funny. 
Prager Hans