do you believe yr east/czech peds - Page 3

The original poster stated, "via tight governmentally controlled programs."

Inasmuch as the governments in the Eastern Bloc countries were nothing more than puppets of the Soviet Union, the Soviet Union would have had control of all so-called programs.

I am not speaking to the culture, I am speaking directly to the point of government control.

You have no clue what you are talking about which is quite obvious from statements   like:  " The same (?)government who couldn't quite manage to keep track of their nuclear weapons?
Are you actually saying that Czechs had any influence on control of nuclear weapons of USSR?  Your claim is akin to silly statements like :"... because USA is in control of Iraq, then the Iraq has the same ability to keep records like USA and Iraq has influence on  control of USA's Nuclear weapons."  
FYI. Every country in Eastern block was under general control of USSR . But  I assure you that dog breeding practices  in Czech country and how they kept their records was not influenced by USSR but it was direct result of Czech   psychology and culture ,which I assure you is quite different from psychology and culture of USSR.  Also keeping records was quite good all over the commie  system during the time communism was in power. Since you referring to loss of nukes I would like to alert you to  the fact that it happened after the collapse of the system in USSR if at all. I would recommend you to go visit Czech and  today Russia  before you make any other comments here on this topic. 
Prager Hans

    

Hans, I did not adress you. So dont call my statements idiotic. To state that everything was 100% correct and said person the OP refered to is a lyar, is just insulting as its not true.

You know how the system worked and so do I as we have first hand experience. Anyone else just got it from hearsay. I lived only about 15 miles from the Czech border; Usti nad labem was just over the mountain. I think Prackovice  was pretty close to Usti. Loved to go there around Christmas to buy goodies. Some of our pups we traded for oil sardines, Becherovka, and those nice chocolate ornaments one could hang on the tree. The folks from the border patrol were really nice. Most of them spoke german as so many did right across the border. Memories!

ok can i steer the thread to something a bit more informative and educational than a potential cultural war. what about NOW, is there much cheating going on from east zones more or less than any other country of origin when it comes to the import/export of dogs. i can say that dutch mal breeders seem to care the least about purity/papers/certs etc from what i gather. i could name people that have peds on their own websites with whole of both sides actually entered as "unkown" everything  past the parents - they do not hide it or even care, you like their dogs you buy them if not buy from someone else. same people have better return and working guarantees than about any gsd breeder i ever seen. but please back to the thread topic if you will and prefer the cultural bashing stay off my thread .

Thanks Hans for stepping in and trying to correct some of the perceptions that are peddled on these forums as the truth, by being repeated ad nauseum.  Specifically referring to people claiming poor record keeping within the E.Block countries etc., when the exact opposite was the truth. 

The fellow peddling the line that the lack of account of the Nukes after the collapse of the Soviet system, as some kind of hit against the Czech or Hungarian record keeping on their dogs, just took the cake....I have heard the same lines (Eastern peds being worthless etc) being peddled by this fellow over several past occasions, which was effectively the talking points pushed by the west.

Bottomline, time to acknowledge the fact that we ought not to comment authoritatively on things we have little to no direct knowledge of....and move on.

but please back to the thread topic if you will and prefer the cultural bashing stay off my thread .

I think the whole premise of the thread you started (as opposed to "your thread") is subtle cultural bashing, if I am not mistaken.  Trying to tangentially tar dogs from a certain part of the world with illegitimacy, by purportedly quoting statements from a breeder.  All of the subsequent responses were directly related to the original post, where the original premise has been systematically ripped up by people providing feedback directly from the regions in question.

Bottomline, cheating can happen anywhere.  Even right here in good ol'USA......or in Germany for that matter.  Sticking to legitimate breeders will ensure that you do get the dog/pup that you wanted to buy and not something with fake papers.  The legitimate breeders have got a reputation to protect and very little to gain by falsifying records.

aakay assuming yr a gsd breeder? you are totally wrong - the thread was NOT "... subtle cultural bashing..."

"...if I am not mistaken..."


you are completely.



  "....Trying to tangentially tar dogs from a certain part of the world with illegitimacy..."



wrong again - that is yr paranoid interpretation, some things are just meant to be taken as they are written - there is not a hidden agenda to every single statement ever written.



"...by purportedly quoting statements from a breeder.."


i did not mention breeders name to avoid politics, i was am interested in the wider validity of thisopinion as it was made by someone born there and raised, promoted, trained and bred these dogs for their entire life.


one thing i have learned about gsd people they are the most precious and fragile little souls. personally i care nothing for the concept of breed purity, breed registries, and breed standards. it is the source of all evil in all working breeds and is mainly just there to secure an income.  

yes the gsd is the breed of my choice but when push comes to shove just give me a dog that works which is becoming the immpossible task in the breed i have come to love, but i would ditch them in a heart-beat if i can't find a way above the monumental and epic BS that is part of owning and trying to buy a decent one.

Vk4gsd, for whatever it is worth aaykay has valid points, such a topic does not seem innocent, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, no matter what we disagree on our love for the GSD always brings us back to each other.

ibrahim whats with you man yr always so nice and wise and calming are you even a real person, you are not in step with the real world which is brutal. not a personal attack but i have never seen a mean post by you yet - are you on medication or something, i don't trust nice.

send me a nasty pm, call my dog a pos and me a pos trainer or something just so i can get a handle on you.

thanx

vk4gsd, if I understood right, I did not send you any pm criticizing your dog or your training, how could I ! I am the least informed on training here on PDB. I didn't intend to be mean or disrespectful to you, I swear. If my post was that bad I apologize to you in the open 

My point though is, cheating is everywhere, there is no one source solely known of it, such claims degrade a certain type of dog which is not a good thing to do and is wrong and not true, it isn't nice to put down all the hard work which was put behind record keeping of eastern GSDs. I did not question your intentions and thus I said "SUCH A TOPIC ........"

It is not my intention to offend you at all 
Mentioning medications, I have a muscle with bad strain