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I would also like to say that there is a ethical difference between selling dog as a breeder or as a broker and dumping a dog because he does not fit your needs. 
 Breeder or broker selling dog;
well someone has to sell the dogs to public and LE agencies and such. Many  sell their  pups and also sell dogs which they train or many , you may call them brokers,  also sell dogs which other's did not want or trained for resale. 
That is morally different from getting rid of dog just because he does not score well in show or competition. 
Yes you may say dog does not care  what was the reason for his or her transfer and are sad or depressed for period of time  all the same, but one is necessary and the other is done  just for comfort and  of the owner. I am excluding here LE and Military and such which also go through selective process which is necessary.   Thus the it boils down to if question;  is  it necessary or is it just because the dog does not fit as perfect to the need or as it was preconceived or imagined. 

I also understand that people can keep only certain amount of dogs for specific purpose and to them I would recommend to buy older dog which can be properly evaluated. His/her's  hips and elbows and temperament and drives and so on. But once the dog is with me I will keep it through hell or high water. But that is just me.  
     Does it always has to be a controversy here?  I posted this thread here not to criticize anybody,  but to clarify some of my thoughts. You do what ever you want.  I am very libertarian and in this aspect at least it is still  a free world. Do I have have to like it , when some  get rid of dog often repeatedly,  because he does score only in the upper 80ies or the bitch produces  only 2 pups per litter? No, you can not deny my right that  I do not have to like it. Am I going to excoriate you on a public forum? No!  All I wanted here was for me and  for people to think about what they are doing. All I want is consider what is right and what is wrong and what is moral and ethical and what is not. That is why I posted this topic. For my benefit of clarifying these points for my self by reading other's people posts. 
And as a matter of fact I have learned a lot. 
Thanks. 

Prager Hans

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Really?

Seriously?

This is ridonculous!

Pack

I find that it depends what you bought and why you bought it.  Did you buy a pet or a competition/breeding dog?  I can see how a competition dog, who is seen as a tool, and not a companion, can be returned or re-homed as long as the breeder/seller offered some guarantee as to the dog's performance.  Even at that, you'd have to show that the dog is unsuitable for the intended use and that such lack of ability is not linked to environmental factors.  In such a case, some accomodation might be reached in which both parties "win" or at least not lose.  The dog in question could be spayed at buyer's cost and assuming that the breeder chose the pup for the buyer, the breeder could provide a replacement puppy free of charge but not paying for shipping in exchange for a future pup.

Dogs bought as pets, or that become companions, are a totally different matter, asl long as there have been no promises.  Read your purchase contract.

but one is necessary and the other is done just for comfort and of the owner.

REALLY?
So someone ends up w/ a crap dog that won't ever make IPO3, and handler had intended to get IPO3. But because its not their profession, there's no need to replace or upgrade to a better dog? When, if hopeful, the dog MIGHT make an IPO1.  

I see horse people do this all day long. They stick w/ their crap horses that won't ever amount to much or worse, will get them killed, because they can't bear the thought of giving up control of that horse's life to someone else. So they stay locked in a place and, yes, they can try MUCH harder w/ that animal and possible move up a little. But they'll never reach THEIR full potential. or become half the horseman they could become if they had access to better horses.

It is each person's right to reach their full potential if they wish. A dog should not hold you back. Place or sell the dog into a good home and learn your lessons. Start with a better dog next time.

Personally, I have kept my first WL dog because she worked out for other purposes and I had room...but if I'd known then what i know now, I would have turned around and taken her back the first day. YOu see, nothing is permanent, animals and people change and the best gift is the ability to learn and adapt and be flexible.

I have returned dogs and rehomed dogs.  I am not going to keep a dog that doesn't fit in my home. 

I think all dogs deserve a home where they are loved and cherished, my washouts are spayed or neutered and usually placed in a loving pet home.   The pet home gets a nicely trained companion and a lifetime of advice, help and can return the dog if it doesn't work out.

I also have a pet peeve about retired dogs left to rot in a run and left behind when the owner goes training.  My first dog retired and went to my parents and is given way more attention than I could, he is very jealous so it would have been unfair to him to keep him myself, to leave him behind and have him see me working other dogs.

Skyhorse - absolutely agree with horses too, forget how many times I have said "That horse will be the death of you", only to get the "But I love him" response then I am the one who feels terrible when the horse threw them and injured them.  I think we owe it to our animals to find them a place where they are suited.

Louise

Skyhorse:REALLY?
So someone ends up w/ a crap dog that won't ever make IPO3, and handler had intended to get IPO3. But because its not their profession, there's no need to replace or upgrade to a better dog? When, if hopeful, the dog MIGHT make an IPO1.   
" Crap dog"? Really? Well I have never seen a "crap" dog yet. But that is just me(?) .   Also  nobody says that the  buyer should not be given another dog by seller. If someone looks at a dog as a selfish extension of their  ambition and thus ego than I understand. But  I think it is not right  to dump a dog which loves you just because it did not performed well in sport.
 Loujolly: I also have a pet peeve about retired dogs left to rot in a run and left behind when the owner goes training.  My first dog retired and went to my parents and is given way more attention than I could, he is very jealous so it would have been unfair to him to keep him myself, to leave him behind and have him see me working other dogs.
Well I am sorry that the dogs who do not make it up to your standard would rot in the kennel. In that case I guess yes they would be better off in a home where they are actually appreciated for what they are. Is kennel  where you keep all  your sport dogs as is customary by many in sport?
At first glance to place a dog into other home does not seem to be too bad, but I then question the actual purpose of owning a sport dog in the first place.  For clarity of making a point I like to use extreme examples where the point is clearly more obvious. I like to use a parallel of family adopting a child. And NO!!!! I do not believe that the dog is like child and vice versa. Thus if family adopts a child and if  such adopted   child does not do well in school then  would you return such child to adopting agency for exchange  or find him different home? I hope not.  I have seen such situation. And yes they dumped their dog too. Pattern? 
All I personally believe is  that the dog should be at first  your friend, companion, your partner in many activities and then  and only then to be a sport dog.  I believe  that the dog should be enjoyed  on more then on one   level and not just  on a  level of performance in sport. Schutzhund was  originally  test to prove breedability of a dog with pass /  fail evaluation. It was a test for dogs in people's lives. When the points started to be awarded with good intention of discerning different levels of pass the  unintended consequences came to the surface.  For most then this test  degenerated just into self purpose of a sport and the other purpose of owning dog became unimportant.  Thus the original system was put on it's head.  It is sad that some people do not see the value in the dog  besides of a sport achievement. 
 As many would indicated  I guess I must be crazy to believe as I do.  
Prager Hans

My case.  I sought to purchase a workingline GSD to perform in my sports of compettion obedience and agility.  I chose to purchase a puppy because when you want to do something specific with a dog I feel that the upbringing is of the utmost importance in terms of training and relationship building. I start my pups in training at 7 wks.   I researched and found what I though would be a good match, pup turns out to have numerous health issues starting at 15 mos of age , the breeder is made aware but basically, says sorry your pup is not perfect I'll give you a discount on another one.  My dogs live in my home.  It was not possible for me to take another dog.  The health problems continued to worsen and the dog was retired at the age of 3 from competition.  She is a wonderful dog who is now 10 1/2 years old whose working career was cut very short.  The breeder felt she did what she could for me and that was that.  Even though monthly expenses would have prohibited most from keeping her I did.  Another dog is not always an option.  Puppies are a crap shoot one I will continue to take as I do not want an older dog that someone else has already influenced in a way that might not be agreement with how I would do things. I understand why some rehome it is just not something I can do.
 
 

Prager-I am very pleased that that is how you feel about dogs.
I agree that your dog should be your dog first. Anything else they can do for you in sport is a bonus.