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Not sure where the confusion lies or how I misquoted you since I posted your entire post, or what your point is. Sorry if you don't agree with my assessment that you are missing out big time if you feel dogs are not truly emotional beings who form emotional bonds. It's simply my opinion and shouldn't threaten you in any way. 

I would never return or rehome a dog  unless I became incapcitated  and could no longer give the care needed. In that case I would find a home that could.
I would only agree to a contract that offered a new dog  if my pup had some without requiring the return of the original.  If I didn't have room for another dog I would like the breeder to help pay for some of the medical costs needed to give my dog a good life. (Maybe just the cost of a new pup)

I would be worried what the breeder might do with the pup that was returned. Although I will only purchase my next dog from a breeder who does take responsibilty for all the dogs she produces and  t when she has has to take an an occasional due to divorce  always finds a good home or keeps the dog.  She does not breed more that she can care for and is very selective  tha her pups go to like mided owners,

I get very attached to my dogs, do not see them as humans, but they are not a commodity to be bought, and sold.  They are canines who give so much to us and deserve our fidelity to their care abnd well being.

Re: dog brokers

I have heard of SO many people being cheated when they buy dogs overseas that I can see there is a need for dog brokers to help with this sort of transaction. But it would have to be someone whom I trusted and knew had the depth of knowledge of the breed and the breeders to do the job. For instance, someone like Fred Lanting, who travels to Germany every year for the Sieger, and also visits some of the well-known kennels while there.

When we purchase a dog, we don't always get what we want.  Six years ago, I bought a female, with the hopes of showing her in conformation classes, and possibly titleling her in obedience and schutzhund. I also had thoughts of breeding her once she was titled.
 
It turned out she was not good enough for the CKC show ring, then at 2, she was diagnosed with a mildly dyplastic hip. Since the contract covered crippling dysplasia only, there was never any question of returning her to the breeder.

That left me in a bind. The area I was living in allowed two dogs per household only, and I already had a rescued GSD. I was stuck in a situation where I had no dog to show.

Get rid of the dog, right??

Not on your life!

I trained her in tracking, and we are now doing Schutzhund. AND I've trained her to be my hearing ear dog, after she demonstrated that she had the potential for the job. She's higher energy than is ideal, but she is doing very well at it.

I now own a kennel, and could have as many dogs as I want, but have decided 2 is plenty. Maybe I'll get that show dog I've dreamed of when my 11 year old rescue passes away. Funny thing, though. I'm no longer that  interested in conformation showing!

Please stay on topic, thank you. mrdarcy (Admin)

Anyway, I would never make a good home return a dog in order to honor a guarantee. I tried to buy back a male I sold after his father passed away. I offered  $10,000 PLUS a nice black male pup I have here and they wouldn't take it. That's the kind of home I want for all of them!!! I have zero respect for people who mandate that in their guarantee!!! It's a scam. 

Back on topic, I totally agree with you, Shepherdpal and Sunsilver!!!

Everyone has to sort their own relationship with dogs.

To finish off what I said above:

It means far more to me to have a companion I can trust in all situations, one that will lie calmly by my feet while I watch TV in the evening, than to have a rack of tropies and ribbons, and a high-drive nervebag that can't be trusted with guests, children or the family cat, and has to be locked up in a kennel when I can't be around.


And no, I don't want a couch potato. I don't particularily care for Goldens and Labs. I love our breeds intelligence and versatility, and am willing to put in the time and effort to make my dogs happy and healthy. If I can win a few ribbons with them, well, that's the icing on the cake.

Rehoming ANY dog that has bonded to an owner, takes it toll on the dog so I do not agree that "I think unlike dogs like Labrador Retrievers or Goldens and such" after having goldens they bond to their people very strongly. I've rehomed alot of dogs doing rescue and I agree that most people do humanize their dogs. Someone from a Natl breed rescue used the term recently "jealous" to me and I replied to them; It's not jealousy its called bad behavior and not knowing his place. It's how we think and hard to remember that our dogs don't think like humans (thank GOD).

I believe if the human cannot provide the dog with a home that will utilize the mind, body, spirit...then they should rehome them. BUT not to the first person who has money to pay. I think if rehomers actually took some time to place the dog appropriately, then there would be less flipping.

So Prager would I rehome a dog that I bought as a breeding dog and the dog didn't turn out as expected, Yes I would. I'm not sure I would return a sport dog though. Just because I want the dog to do one thing doesn't mean he wants to. Good thing there are many sports to choose from.

Barb

Pardon my curiosity about these statements.... I tend to pay much more attention to what is posted now so I can better understand the thought process of some breeders.


"There are circumstances where it's best to sell or rehome a dog, however, "not working out as expected" is a sorry reason to do so, imo. I have raised young dogs and sold them or given them away to better homes than I could provide THAT PARTICULAR dog for some reason, but to BUY a PUPPY and raise it, have it bond to you, and then dump it when it doesn't "meet expectations" because YOU WERE TOO CHEAP TO BUY A DOG FOR YOUR PURPOSES IN THE FIRST PLACE, well, I just think that sucks. If you want to breed, buy a breeding quality dog. If you want to show, buy a show quality dog. If you want to bond with a puppy for life, buy a puppy and keep it for life"

So... If you sold a female pup and oh, let's say 9 months or so down the line her recovery time didn't suit their expectations when a fan fell near her . The person decided she didn't have what it took to be a breeding female, wasn't stable enough. If you were presented with this excuse when someone tried to return a dog to you would this be an exceptable reason to you....or a sorry reason?


"I would never, ever, make someone return a dog in order to make good on a guarantee. I wouldn't even want to sell a dog to someone who would give up a dog if it had a problem. Those aren't the kind of homes a dog deserves. I think many sport people get so blinded by the goal that they forget this is a living being and as KitKat said, they have a certain responsibility as to how that dog turns out! The disposable mentality is sickening, as is the lack of personal responsibility on the part of humans, particularly the USA lately"

I could only assume you would not sell a pup to this person, right?

No matter how beautiful and sweet they were they still need to have what it takes to IMPROVE my lines. :( I have returned several because they just did not measure up. The fact that there are getting to be so many really nice V working line structure out there has inspired me as well as the fact that my current wls are getting to retirement age.

"I have kept pups from every litter I've bred and placed them w/family or close friends if I can't keep them here. If you're wanting to see how a dog turns out, do something like that and then if the dog doesn't turn out for breeding or sport or whatever, leave the dog in the home with the people who love it and the dog is never the wiser that he was a washout. ;-)"                                                                                                                                                      

Now I understand...farming out pups from your litters waiting to see if they are washouts is the way to go.  It's fortunate you have that many friends and family to provide homes for the washouts. Out of curiosity...If these dogs prove their worthiness, do they get pulled out of that loving home to fulfill the purpose you intended for ?

I've had/have two dogs that were re-homed to ME and these were two of the best dogs I'll EVER own.  One is my mixed breed heart dog and I would never, ever give him away or sell him for anything.  You'd have to pry him from my cold, dead hands.  But I'm not against re-homing or selling dogs, after all, I'm *his* third (and final) home!!

I guess people who think it's never OK to sell or re-home a dog have only ever purchased 8 week old puppies and have never been involved in rescue...

lmaooo. yeah TH. 9mo later the pup is JUST WHAT YOUR LOOKING FOR and its perfectly fine to pull him/her from its foster home and carry on with training but its not ok to sell/place one that is not turning out as expected.... wtf lmaoo. you people act as if the dog is being DUMPED at some.crackhouse. jenni78.... the way i see it you would not own your SUPER PRODUCER capri going by your own standards. How would the PDs and military get their dogs if everyone had this train of thought? yet again this place just amazes me... might as well shut the classified section down admins....lol . By the way it is my text prager is quoting and lucky for me i have never had to sell place a pup that is not working out for me. but i know people who have and i would do the same. different strokes for different folks thatsfor sure. cheers.