Why can North American GSD breeders never seem to breed world class dogs?? - Page 5

Agree again, Bob. I also found it ironic that in another theread - to title or not - many are stating excuses for not titling before breeding while we are here debating why breeders in the US aren't on par with the European breeders.

as long as you think titled and famous dogs will get you better puppies you will not get anywhere

To each his own, Duke. Speaking for myself, if I  buy a GSD I'm intending to train in IPO, advance OB, whatever I will want to see the appropriate titles on both parents or know good reasons why those dogs are not titled - ie hit by car, can't retrieve over the hurdle. "He/she can do it, he's just not titled", wouldn't be good enough for me. I've only had 4 GSD's since 94 but the one thing I have learned the hard way is - like begets like.

dont misunderstand me blitzen, but I mean that A title is no guarantee for health, quality or the right match to your female, I mean you have to look beyond title and fame and many dont

Gotcha, we are on the same page.

"Not all great dogs are champions, not all champions are great dogs"??  A lot of imported dogs are "flavor of the year" dogs based on who won the BSP or WUSV in the last 5 years??  This has been mentioned previously as breeders jump from one hope for immediate success to another.  Probably too much emphasis on paternal lines and not enough emphasis on maternal lines as maternal lines are crucial for long term success??  Plenty of BSP and BSZS winners who did not have anything to pass on to their progeny that was not just average. "Not all great dogs are champions, not all champions are great dogs".

Never? 
Prager Hans
P.S. my question is directed to the premise of the Original post. 

Some of the best dogs from Europe  go to USA. But, you can breed two great dogs and still get crap. It depends on how you match them. That depends on how you know genetics of the dogs on the  pedigree. It is hard for most US breeder to know these genetics of these dogs since these dogs are in Europe and they have never seen them.  Also next thing is instead of trying to be perfectionist and lunch a quest for perfect dogs to be bred together, breeders  need to learn ( since there are no perfect dogs in genotype) to compromise and compensate for genetic shortcomings of the sire and dam  and of the dogs on their pedigree, by virtues of the other partner. ( Runaway sentence?Sorry) 
  Prager Hans

have to somewhat disagree hans, every breeder starts out one day, knowing nothing at all, also in europe and everywhere in the world,you have to start somewhere
 seminairs are given on bitework, obedience etc, but never on breeding, someone should open that option, and not start with breeders who produce litter after litter and produce some good or famous dogs, I myself learned alot from breedingprograms in homing pigeons, cattle , horses and so on, so you dont even need to learn from GSD breeders only

Prager:

                   That also is part of the problem. There is no "Perfect" dog. Every dog has a fault it,s whether the dog can work beyond the fault to overcome it.Looking for the perfect dog is like hunting snipe.