what so good about a calm full grip?? - Page 3

Very true and informative post Gustav.
 

Susie, here in the states, I have seen judges who cut down a dog for fighting, shaking and trying to dominate the helper; rather than going along for the ride, holding on with their mouth. It all comes down to lack of consistency in what judges look for, as individual judges are as diverse in their preferences as there are trials, seems like. I'm not saying you're wrong, just not the same as what I've seen.
And like Gustav said, a dog can mash through with out having whatever they're biting full in the mouth. A pressure gauge should be used on trial sleeves; that will settle any debate as to which dog is biting hardest. But that's not what counts. It's if you can see any daylight behind the sleeve in the dog's mouth, doesn't matter how hard he's biting, he'll not score as high as the full bite. I've had pups that bite full, but won't stay on as well as pups that bite half. Full bite looks more impressive, I guess.

I think the American judges like to see good fight in a dog also.  This one was at the world qualifier this year in Kentucky and scored 98/100 in protection.  He fights the whole time he is on the sleeve and i know the dog personally.
 

Yes, Hm, they certainly are. :-)

As long as the grip doesn't shift they can fight all want. Your helper should be able to tell if if there just holding on or crushing the sleeve> i have a video of cruise on the sleeve and the helper can,t slip the sleeve because he has it crushed on his arm.   

Nadeem6 that is a nice dog it may be the video or something but they way it looks i bet $50 i could out run that dog in a foot race, not really, but the dog seems a slow mover in his sprint. please clarify and correct if i am not reading this right, not an expert here.

and apologies for the rant someone pointed out after the legit question, kinda goes with the turf.

i know some bird dogs that have a fuller calmer grip than some of the gsd i am seeing, hard grip no.

also i would like to see some of these great looking dogs in vids here get bullied around a bit by the helper to see just how calm and full they really are. i am skeptical if these dogs would be so full and calm getting kicked, punched, rolled on top of with full weight of decoy and slammed around a bit, fight in a confined space etc. then you WOULD see genetics as opposed to psuedo-genetics + great training + patterned routines + dog KNOWS decoy is really just a nice guy.



 

Vk4, good points...some would run off, probably, but a few would make the helper want to run off. ;-)

"...some would run off, probably, but a few would make the helper want to run off. ;-)"

no doubt joanro, but would the grips remain calm and full is the question - i mean some claim the dog has no choice but to bite calm and full always cos it is  genetically programmed to do so, that is the part i am skeptical about. and the part i am curious about is does it really matter in live bite situation where you are more concerned with survival and less concerned about what the courts will think/PR/ bad press/breed perceptions and all that rubbish i think you would find irrelevant with some crazy stomping yr head into the pavement....just sayin.

haha, dog gets a bit hectic on the guy so you spit out some blood and yell to the bad guy, no, no not like that you will ruin my dogs grip, hold the forearm more oblique and down a bit....

vk4gsd, yes he is not the fastest runner.  You need to piss him off to get nice speed.  He is also a touch long too, so that might have something to do with it also.  But overall a very nice, dominant male.  True to the standard as far as temperament of a GSD.

so glad you took that in the way it was meant and not get offended. i really like him he looks strong, powerful and serious/dominant.

whats with the long and speed comment?? you mean long torso?, if anything that, all other things in balance is what WILL give the dog a higher top speed??

my own boy is kinda long and lanky, quite an ugly dog to most people but he is a very fast dog of any breed standards.