what so good about a calm full grip?? - Page 7

I'm sure their goal was more than a full calm grip, again, said repeatedly, but the fact is they did place great importance on the grip and that is something you apparently are trying to argue doesn't matter?

Z, seven posts up, you said, '....grips are the be all and end all,...." I'm sure that was a mis- speak, others may have taken it literally.

well that should have said "aren't the be all and end all, but they still matter....."  my fingers didn't work as fast as my brain on that one.  Regardless, I think my point has been made pretty clear prior to that mis type and after.

True, you have made your point, but not every one reads all posts, so that could be where the breakdown in your message was.

beeing sarcastic zdog 

well I missed your sarcasm thinking you missed my sarcasm. Now i feel like a dumbass

as a helper, I love a dog that wants to fight with all they have....I never hit a dogs feet to keep them off me....also love a dog that trys to control you and that may mean shaking. Full, hard grips are genetic....it can't be taught...IMNSHO

many people give to much importance on it and too little on other issues, I see the people from various countries testing and buying dogs for police and army here, testing the dogs and selecting the ones with the full calm bites, not testing them in low drive for handler pressure, not taking them to shopping malls , heavy traffic and horses, and not test if they will out in a normal way, just replaced a fully trained SWAT dog for not outing in the street, but he had full calm grips LOL
I think most people are putting to much value to full hard calm grips and overlook a lot of other stuff

Many on here talk about a dog putting there legs on the Helper. Well right or wrong My Dog Gina does just that? in fact when she bites on the sleeve it is her intention of taking the arm away with the sleeve and she has bit so hard the helper at times has not been able to slip the sleeve and that is not a joke. She snarls and she does all she can to take it from the helper and her feet is on him all the time, when told to release she will do so and sit and she does not bark but sit s rock still and her eyes are on the helper even when the handler is walking towards her she doles not take her focus off the helper.. I wanted to show a couple of Pic,s of her with two different helpers and you will see what i mean but i have no idea of how to post a pic on here now; any help would be appreciated
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I managed to load the Pic,s on. You will see she is doing the same to both Helpers. No one that i know of over here hits a dogs legs for planting them on the Helper It is what a dog does naturally. As Judron says You cannot teach a dog to bite it is an inborn thing some go in like an Express train without checking as my Female does other Dogs Check before they go in to the attack i think it is just the dog anyway, It is how the Dog bites is the most important with a full mouthful and an iron grip, whatever others think of the way my dog attacks i sure will not try and change anything at all. Just one thing, She has been taught to Sit and Guard the Helper without Barking and to focus only on the Helper nothing else that has been the intention all along in her training. I hate a dog who Barks on and off and at times looks around for the Handler and moves around the helper that for me is no good at all. That shows nerves and insecurity
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