what so good about a calm full grip?? - Page 8

steve, i would appreciate that dog more in moving pictures.

i've been trying to follow this thread, but i may have missed a few posts.  if this has been mentioned before, i apologize for repeating.
one very good reason for breeding for full grips and strengthening that grip in young dogs is to avoid injury to the dog.  it is sickening
to see a dog come off the sleeve and in the process snap off a canine tooth.  replacing them with titanium is god-awful expensive, too.
the better the grip---less chance of breaking a tooth.
pjp

There are no videos of Gina working except for three short ones when she was only 10 to 11 months old, then it was getting dark but you can see them on youtube just put in her name Gina vom Bonauer Wald. However the Pic,s show she has a full grip I have been trying for some time to get a video of her working but no luck yet.
ziegenfarm
You are correct a dog that does not bite full but just holds on with its Canine or main teeth is just no good at all; and the danger as you said of breaking a main tooth. if it does that over here it is as good as finished in the Sport they will not be allowed to enter Trials.
even if like Gina her teeth were checked by an SV judge when she did her SG on show at 12 months old he stamped and signed that her teeth were good at the time. if she breaks a tooth she can go on but it would be a waste of time her bite would just not be good enough One thing has not been mentioned on here that is some dogs push when biting that again is not good a dog must Pull not Push on the sleeve. anyhow, that is what they teach over here.
Steve1

Mostly " spectators " only do see adult dogs, maybe on a trial or on the Siegershow.
They only are able to see the result of former training, not the training in itself.
As I stated earlier, I love dogs with a hard, full grip, fighting with their whole body...
But please think twice - for any good result you need a good helper, good foundation work, and a good handler.
A good helper is able to make any dog look good or look bad, even the strongest - there is a breaking point for every dog...
With good foundation work you are able to train a full grip, but you are not able to train courage above normal pressure - at that point the dog will loose its grip for sure...
For me it´s more important to see the dog willing to fight against the helper than "only" to see a full grip...depends on the history of said dog - its former training.
But again - I do love dogs with a hard, full grip willing to fight...

Susie
Exactly, I hate to see a dog bite on the sleeve and just hang on like a sack of potatoes, Some are wanting the sleeve that is why they go for it and some dogs will fight to take it from the helper. You get a dog just hanging on the helper has no trouble moving along but you get a dog who is fighting to take the sleeve then that same helper has a problem with the dog regards moving  simply because he could be thrown  off balance with the dog fighting him as well 
Steve1
 

That´s it!