provide some examples of any endurance based animal (dog or not) that is shaped like a gsd. - Page 19

@ Hundmutter, the structure of BLH dogs is very important piece of this structure thing. As you noted their structure is more reminiscent of the older type dogs in many ways. I have always contended that the "proofing" of correct structure must be in function/performance of which the dog is bred for and not the opinions/likes of breeders/judges. Now if they are on the same page, I think it is safe to say we are correct. Not to say that the VA dog has to be BLH or BSP Seiger. But the VA dog has to be able to sire BSP or BLH Seigers and participants, or even the VA dogs should occasionally be sired by BLH or BSP dogs. Similar to the Marko vom Cellerlands, or Mutz vd Peltzerferm or Xitta v Kirschental, or Bernd v Lierberd, or Held v Ritterberg....these dogs had progeny successful at top levels on both sides of the street. When we drifted from this facet, I think we bumped our heads. Form and function became two distinct entities, as opposed to interchangeable aspects of the great dogs.
does that make sense? I'm not criticizing your post, but flushing out the observation you noted and providing proof that it can and has occurred in this breed during the mythical age.....lol

Sunsilver I had to hit the dislike button because the dog is being strung up

Gustav I had to hit the like button because that is the way it should be

too much bulkiness, and lenght carried on a deformed structure is painful and crippling.  Even people walking on uneven ground or uphill in a slightest angle will feel it because the weight is not distributed and carried evenly, thus affecting mobility of joints and muscles and will cause premature exhaustion.


A balance and sound structure adds speed and maneuverability.  The impact of the collision of a bigger and slower dog is actually lesser than the slightly smaller but very fast dog.  I don,t want to get bitten by this kind of dog.  If he can not clamp me in full grip, he will shred my shirt or pants to pieces, and I don't like to run naked in the street.  Watch this.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdYGhuZWYwg


 

lineage, i have no specific proof of cruelty in those vids you posted re high stepping horses. i am painting a broad brush stroke about practices either well known or yet to be caught out, associated with such exaggerated actions.

i find looking at show animals rather sick ie socially acceptable mental illness of humans, don't most enlightened people have come to the conclusion that dancing bears, circus animals, conformation showing, human beauty contests, women jello wrestling while a bunch drunk losers fling them tips etc is just sick to watch and objectifies and degrades the animal/person and degrades the humans that find it somehow amusing or attractive whatever.

what is it competitors/breeders think they are representing when they indulge such practices and the blatant disregard for animal health and welfare to get that more extreme than the other guys already extreme and exaggerated performance??? and what is it that the spectators are cheering/leering about????

i don't get it, i don't like it, there is no moral, utilitarian purpose or even any esthetic value i see.

i think it all comes under the same banner of SICK.

Gustav, while I agree with what you say, I would mention that I
was deliberately labouring the point that structure in a Showring is
usually nowhere near as awful as some folk believe it to be, at least
until the photographers arrive !    [@akgsd :  PLEASE NOTE]
I think what jemi posted is equally reasonable.  Unfortunately, 
there were plenty of (non-doggy) people - still are, too - who misguidedly
believed the bigger a 'police dog' was, the more it would hurt them.
Often this, it seems, has led to people, who maybe want to breed dogs
the LE services might take, breeding larger animals;  and Police and Army
taking them on when offered, 'cos although they may KNOW the lighter
faster dogs are most effective, they also WANT potential perps to "be very afraid" !

Jemi - just watched that vid link;  seems Idefix has a
pretty solid grip, too !  Love the 'flying' start.

A certain size is probably prefered as policedogs, even malinoisbreeders who works in the police says some malinois females are too small for the preventive effect wanted, and I suppose most of us don´t want GSDs that are under 25 kg in weight. It´s the too large dog combined with the artificial manmade structure that is the problem and really serves no purpose.

jemi, i'd like to see idefix with children, chilling in a home and sheep.
 

"The height at the withers amounts to 60 cm to 65 cm for male dogs and 55 cm to 60 cm for female dogs. The trunk length exceeds the dimension at the height at the withers by about 10 – 17 %".....the FCI German Shepherd breed standard. Was the size changed or was this the original size in the original standard? There is no mention of weight in the FCI breed standard.

Once again, if one wants to understand why the original breed standard asks for specific points, leave out the police dogs and concentrate on the qualities that were needed for a tending/herding dog. ...why that size.....why dark pigmentation....why longer than tall......why erect ears, complete dentition, scissors bite, well developed underjaw ..... etc.