Would like to hear comments on Bomber son, Mailo - Page 10

Okay , good to hear.  Let's talk about Mailo.  Has anyone bred to him ?   I will be breeding my female, to him in October !!

I don't lie nor make up stories.  You guys can believe whatever you want to.  I have emails from both of them stating I can
breed to their dogs.  If they read these ignorant comments you guys put on here and decide not to let people breed to
Mailo as well.  Then whatchagonnado ??   There was no misunderstanding !   I told Russ all bout my girl, WE bred her.
I was also told by Bomber's owner, that I can breed to him for half price.  Go ahead and call me an    f  (&^%#$@@  liar again
and I will personally email you to show you I am telling the truth.
Mailo is a very nice dog and we should be lucky to have these dogs here.  Please stop bashing people and their dogs.

Oh, F* F* S*, LTS, haven't you read Russ's posting on the last page, I
thought that had settled the matter !

Western Rider - in this case it should be allowed to answer instead staying on topic only...

Mr Osburn - thank you very much for clarification! It´s always good to hear both sides of a story!

I don´t like the breeding practices of LTS, BUT this is no reason to call her a liar, as happened a couple of hours ago.

So she did breed her female to your male twice ( not forbidden at all in your country )
Parrish Evans did allow a breeding to Mailo
Studs are not for free ( everything else would be silly in my opinion )
People have to difference between dogs owned by Spitzenhund kennels and owned by Russ Osburn ( understandable for me )

I´m glad to hear Mr Evans changed his mind about this breeding ( he simply didn´t know the female in question ).
I really hope the three of you ( LTS, Mr Evans, Mr Osburn ) do find an agreement good for ALL parties involved now.

For all the others - the statements of a person you don´t like are not necessarily always wrong.

 

by LOVE THY SHEPHERD on 14 July 2013 - 04:26	LOVE THY SHEPHERD Posts: 266 Joined: Sat Oct 15, 2005 06:38 am
Okay , good to hear.  Let's talk about Mailo.  Has anyone bred to him ?   I will be breeding my female, to him in October !! I don't lie nor make up stories.  You guys can believe whatever you want to.  I have emails from both of them stating I can breed to their dogs.  If they read these ignorant comments you guys put on here and decide not to let people breed to Mailo as well.  Then whatchagonnado ??   There was no misunderstanding !   I told Russ all bout my girl, WE bred her. I was also told by Bomber's owner, that I can breed to him for half price.  Go ahead and call me an    f  (&^%#$@@  liar again and I will personally email you to show you I am telling the truth. Mailo is a very nice dog and we should be lucky to have these dogs here.  Please stop bashing people and their dogs.
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I hear Twilight Zone music. 

Susie, do you get it now? I don't understand how you can read Russ' post and still say what you just said about LTS and the situation. Parrish never agreed to this. Neither Parrish nor Russ knew the true status of her dogs. Therefore, there was a clear lack of honesty, if not an outright lie, on the part of LTS. Omitting information that you believe will be counterproductive in getting what you want is not exactly an ethical practice. She is still harping about this, though they've both spoken (Parrish to myself and a couple others) and Russ to the board (THAT sure should've cleared it all up), and made it abundantly clear that THEY NEVER AGREED TO BREED TO AN UN-XRAYED BITCH. Saying you'd allow a friend and partner to use your dog for a replacement stud service and assuming that your stipulations are taken care of is hardly the same as telling LTS she can breed her un-xrayed bitch to Mailo. No one said stud service was free, either, not sure where that ASSumption came about. 

LTS, an honest person would tell the stud owner the truth before conning them into agreeing. Russ made an honest mistake, assuming everything was in order and that you were a "full disclosure," type person. People who deal with high caliber dogs often assume that everyone else does xrays as a minimum requirement. It's an easy mistake. I've forgotten to ask people many times about super basic stuff with puppies or dogs because you get to a point where you just don't even think about that stuff- it's a given. Unfortunately, with you, it's not a given. With the dogs that he deals with, it probably never crossed his mind that someone would be so nonchalant about breeding dogs who haven't even been xrayed. Now you have made a dramatic mess because you knew full well that Parrish doesn't even know you, had no idea the quality or lack of quality of your bitch, or the fact that she doesn't even have health clearances and you're spouting on about breeding to his dog, even after Russ himself tried to clear it up. It's obnoxious. Tricking people into doing what you want, knowing full well that they wouldn't do it if they knew the truth, even if not technically "lying" is pretty low. I, for one, never called you a liar- I simply asked basic questions that would expose that Parrish had no knowledge of your bitch's(es'?) health clearance status and stated what I knew to be true- Parrish never had any intentions of allowing an un-xrayed bitch to be bred to Mailo or any other dog. 

I don't care what LTS or anyone else does with regard to titles or even health clearances (un-certified and un-xrayed are slightly different matters) but to spew these "facts" knowing they're spun in her favor and do NOT reflect Russ or Parrish's breeding ethics is unacceptable to me. That's my only reason for posting- could not care less about titled vs. untitled debate. This isn't about that- it's about omitting pertinent information and then dragging other people down through the mud with you. 

 

Jenny: " Oh, and Parrish doesn't accept stud fees. But no one cares- it's more fun to surmise and trash talk than it is to deal in facts. Carry on. "

This were your own and origin words... and that´s where my assumptions came about...

You are right - this is not about anybody´s breeding practices, it´s about people trying to make us believe LTS did lie about her future breeding.
SHE DID NOT LIE, Mr Parrish and Mr Osburn did make a mistake, this happens day by day, in Europe and in the USA.

I´m pretty sure LTS didn´t read Mr Osburn´s post before writing her last post, and I´m pretty sure she isn´t informed yet that she is not allowed to breed her female to Mailo, although they promised it.

Shit happens, but the bad girl isn´t ALWAYS the bad girl.

You really don't get it, Susie.  If you think hiding the truth from someone in order to get something they would never give you if they had all the facts is ok, we're never going to get anywhere. 

Re: stud fees: Not accepting money for stud doesn't mean it's free! Lots of people make different deals in breeding. Some use breedings to fulfill puppy health guarantees, some only take pups back, etc. To say that Parrish would breed to her unxrayed bitch for the money, as you did, was asinine and I tried to point that out. It's between Parrish and anyone who breeds to his males what he gets in return. The point was a little bit of cash wasn't going to make Parrish breed to an unxrayed bitch, no way, no how. 

 

After a night of sleep I come back and a couple of you will not stay on Topic.

Your desire to trash another is not the point of this thread.

This thread has been allowed to go off the point long enough, you've got all your answers to the point of, uncalled for,  digging into others business  and their practices.

OK They say they will not breed to an female that is not hip tested or titled, your happy, but a female that meets all requirements of the stud owner may be met when they wish to breed so may still get their female bred.

Last time folks   Get back on topic there is no need for this crap.

Western Rider

 

Hello guys, this is Parrish. Im on vacation and have had no access to a computer but have been constantly updated by text and email by some of my friends. Thank you for a most spirited debate on my breeding program. Please allow me a few minutes of your time to clear up some things. I took Bomber out of the Stud dog arena because of nonsense like this mess of a forum. I thought that would be the end of it but apparently there is no way to stop it except to put a stop to it. I do not advertise Bomber for stud. I will however breed him to particular females I like well enough to take a puppy from. Recently I met a very well known Show line owner that I bred her dog. I will not "Out" her yet as the pregnancy is not confirmed yet and you cant buy one of them anyway. They wont be for sale. One will come to me. The others to trainers. FOR FREE. She is the kind of breeder I want to work with. She, like myself couldn't give a rats ass about money but do it to better the breed. I wont tell you who she is but a man I have a lot of respect for as a trainer works with her. T Floyd. "Erin, it was a pleasure to meet you". :) I know most of us sell our puppies to be able to pay the bills but we should all be at least attempting to make the breed a little better than it was before we got into it. One fella that wanted to breed to Bomber wouldn't give up a puppy from his Bomber litter and started explaining to me how he could just pay me some little stud service fee and get several thousand dollars for the puppy so it wouldn't make sense for him to take a deal like that. LOL Really? You will die of old age before I breed your dog. IF I breed Bomber I will do it for a puppy, not money. I will think enough of your dog to think it will improve the breed and I will do it as a partnership to prove my commitment to the breeding. If you call me about a dog the first thing I will ask is if her hips are ex rayed, what was the rating and what is her title. Very simple. If she isn't titled but you really really liked her mother doesnt cut it. Thats what produces dogs that end up at the pound. I generally consult with Tom Trainer "Vomausland" about every potential female so if you know Tom doesn't think much of your dog then don't bother calling me. I am much more short tempered than Russ or Tom. As far as Mailo. He is an unusual boy that was hand selected by Reiner Holtmann for competition. A real beast of a dog but had no progeny. I consented to breed him a couple of times to see what sort of puppies he produced. Yes i used other peoples dogs as my "lab rats" but the fee was cheap considering what he is and his bloodlines. Russ is training him to replace his 2 time FH champion Rony but Russ didn't want to compete him until he was sure he could win. I will certainly be screening any potential females very closely from now on. Now, about Russ. Over the years I have known Russ I have found him to be grumpy, short tempered, and generally a dark storm cloud with little compassion or interest in his fellow man. He is also the most ethical and compassionate dog man I have ever had the honor to meet. If he chose to breed a female I did and still do trust him explicitly. I count myself fortunate in the friends I have and Russ is at the top of the list.
Reiner Holtmann has entrusted me with the care of Bomber here in the US. Bomber filled his breed book up for life in Germany and was given a 25 breed extension by the SV. My task is not to ruin his reputation by breeding sub par females. Thats it. The decision to breed a female or not to breed one is mine and mine alone. Yes i sent frozen sperm to Australia to a couple of ladies that I took a liking to. Jolanda Naarding and Karen Eaton. They seemed to have the same goals in breeding as me and were in need of bloodlines to improve the Australian gene pool. I was thrilled to be able to provide that assistance to them and plan to follow their progress for years to come.
All of us in this business are at different places in knowledge of breeding and bloodlines. It doesn't mean the lower people arent as good as the ones that know more. Remember, there was a time when you or me was at the same level and didnt even know what OFA even meant. As long as someone is willing to learn and attempting to improve none of us should discourage anyone else. If you have then consider where you were in breeding a few years ago before being too harsh to the newbies. Without a little help very few of us would be in the position we are now, myself included. I have some of the greatest dog breeders that I can rely on for help at any time but some of the new people dont have that. They have me or you. How have you assisted them or did you just ridicule them? Sure some of them deserve ridicule just like I did or you did at some point.
Now, its Sunday morning and Im in Kentucky. Back home they are picking up puppies today and im worried as always that they will go to good homes and be happy. Thats all that counts isnt it. We do our parts as breeders and hope they do their parts as owner. We each have to keep up our end of the deal. I'll keep mine, will you?

Very nice post Parrish. Hopefully we can get back to talking about Mailo now

Well troop, seems from the looks of the four prior pages, that is NOT what interests most of the people,
Let's get with the talking "smack" about people, that's where the real interests lie.
I have been looking at Mailo, Bomber, and other Bomber related videos for weeks.
I guess I will ask Parrish what I want to know, but, it sure would have been nice to get some others opinions on the dogs involved, not the people.
After all, this is a German Shepherd forum.