German rules for German Shepherds - Page 2

Didn't the UScA try this?....

and I think it would be more prudent to focus on the GSDCA rather than the AKC for this specific subject.  Would the AKC allow the GSDCA to make such requirements?  To perhaps make drastic changes to the standard as to require dogs meet a minimum of requirements in order to have litters registered out of them.  

as for my opinion, I don't see it ever, ever happening in the USA.  

AKC allows the GSDCA to generate the breed standard, to make any revisions and to set basic rules for it's member, but they have the final approval.  Last I looked the memberhip was under 2,000 a mere drop in the bucket compared to the number of people breeding and registering litters of GSD's. The GSDCA has very little influence on much of anything. AKC is not and never will be in the business of policing its members; right or wrong  , it is what it is. GSD breeders in the US will never accept being told what they need to do in order to breed a litter of dogs. We are not  programmed that way. Ask the members here if they would want to be subject to rules that say they must title their dogs before they can register a litter.

I don't honestly know if an SV type registry would improve the breed here in the US or not and I'm not sure I'd want to try to find out.

No, the AKC would not permit the GSDCA to set such requirements.Standard revisions need to be approved b a 2/3 vote of the membership and then AKC must approve them too. First the membership would not pass it, there would be a huge increase in the number of members  joining just to vote down the changes (I suspect many here would do that). Breed standards are not to be used to dictate breeding terms, the FCI doesn't allow that either.

It really cuts both way, at first blush it seems to be a really good way to get the breed heading in the right direction, but the devil is in the details.

 

LOL, Gustav, it´s not about countries, it´s about good dogs.
I´m not talking about people, that know where to look for a dog, and that know how to select -
I´m talking about people breeding dogs without any knowledge of a working dog breed.
I couldn´t care less where people buy there dogs from, I´m not in the market.

To Euroshep - I don´t think AKC would hesitate too much - the breed standards are made by the clubs, NOT by AKC.

IF it were mandatory to be a member of the GSDCA in order to register a litter (as with the SV) then we would have an all together different scenario. It's  not mandatory, it's optional.

A UDX may be a title hard to earn but what does this title have to do with the standard and temperament of a working dog breed?

Vonissk, sorry for my words above, but I´m not talking about obedience with a single dog but the lowest minimum of standards.

Okay Susie, I'll flip it....there are people breeding dogs in all the countries that don't know what a working dog is.....having said that, I agree that the American German Shepherd in general has lost their way. Part of that is due to lack of knowledge and some of it is due to lack of institutional controls. So we agree in that respect....still I don't think that the majority of GS in Germany is working stock....and God knows there are plenty of institutional controls in place. So have the institutional controls created better breeders? I think the purpose of the breeder benefits the breed the best in the long run, even more so than institutional controls. There are countries in Europe that I think still have a high percent of breeders that breed for working....unfortunately in America it is in the minority and in this I agree with you.

You can find good dogs or not so good dogs anywhere in any country. So how do you fix that and make them all good dogs. hmmm......

The solution some want on here is a governing body to oversee and enforce rules and standards. Well the biggest problem with this theory IMO is that starts the original issue. PEOPLE. The problem with any governing body or government in place is the people in place. So until you can fix the "people" i fear there is no solution. So how do you do that? Also even if the people in power were legitimate and try to do the right thing- how many of us could completely agree on what the dogs should be. How many arguments/debates are on this forum about this very issue.


and sure having to title and health test a dog is all fine and dandy- but just because a dog can get a IPO1 or Schh 1 doesnt make it a good dog. now does a show class. Nor does either mean its going to produce good dogs. IMO. I have multiple trainer/biz owner friends whom go to europe frequently to test dogs for police and high level work to bring back(dogs cost less and clubs are closer together). They go for a week and drive from club to club and will test 100 or more dogs to bring back 8-10 at a time.

Not pointing fingers at anyone and not saying USA is perfect by no means. We definitely are far from perfect and so is everyone else as its all about the people. And PEOPLE ARE NOT PERFECT.

JMO